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Ricaro Kovarotti wrote:

> Internet is a powerful tool, but I am still disappointed how difficult
> is to find something there. And it's not because it isn't there but
> because of the way people build their web pages.
>
> What about finding a right house on the Internet?
>
> You want to buy a house then find a real estate service; probably I
> would hear many of times. Well, but there are dozens of reasons why
> using the Internet to sell and buy a house. First of all if more people
> would start advertise on Internet than would be greater chance to find
> what you really looking for, and for the seller to show and expose all
> what he really wants. Buying a house you do not have to go for all the
> appointments with your agent, cruising around and waste your time. You
> can search for the house in your spare time, without feeling obligated
> that your agent already spent so much time and gas for you. You can
> still use the agent for advice and the final transaction, if you choose
> this way, after finding several houses that really interest you.
>
> You can find real-estate services also on the Internet today. You can
> even reach Multiple Listing Service (MLS) for the whole country, but
> what I have found they are still cripple. In MLS listing in Canada for
> example you have to pick-up the small area first. If you are looking for
> cottage or house in 150 miles around the City of Toronto this is not
> good point to start doing it. You wood have to go through all single
> designated areas to find it. The properties are very often poorly
> listed. You may look for lakefront and you find a waterfront, so you do
> not exactly know, it might be the river front. Finally the information
> shown is only marginal, and you cannot really decide whether it is what
> you are really looking for. The number of pictures is limited and often
> in poor quality.
>
> And finally what about all of us who want to privately sell or buy the
> house to save on commission. What if we want our page to reach not only
> local, but also international market? What if we want to investigate
> remote market? It not only concerns real estate market, not only
> trading, but also other issues in general. Similar problem could be with
> cars, boats, etc. The real estate example is just a good one to start
> with on this group because it's what interests most people. There are
> much more things we should be able to sell and buy privately on
> Internet. We have a very effective tool now. The only problem is how we
> use it.
>
> I would like to show the way of how we can easily produce our page to
> sell our house presenting all information much more effectively than
> using any real-estate service.
>
> The main problem that we cannot find easily what we are looking for on
> Internet starts with how we use our language. Using exotic style is
> maybe cool, but would it be easy to find this information for somebody
> who tries to do it? That's why we should apply most commonly used words
> and terms. Secondly there is a many way of saying and writing the same
> thing in English, as well as in other languages. We can write 4
> bedrooms, or 4 bdrms, or bedrooms: 4, etc.
>
> Why not give an easy try. Let's say we want to find 4-bedroom house with
> brick exterior and gas heating. Let's use these commonly used terms. One
> way of finding it is to construct the search string like:
>
> +"house for sale" +"4 bedrooms" +"brick exterior" +"gas heating"
>
> For those who are little familiar with searching on Internet I am giving
> detailed instructions in brackets:
>
> Highlight it then copy to clipboard
> (by pressing <ctrl> and <c> keys simultaneously, or using Edit then Copy
> from the menu of your browser)
>
> Now click the URL (address) below to access the Altavista search engine,
> and paste it into the space after the "Search For:"
> (by pressing <ctrl> and <v> keys simultaneously, or using Edit then
> Paste from the menu of your browser)
>
> http://www.altavista.com/
>
> or just simply click on URL below to do it automatically at once:
> http://www.altavista.com/cgi-bin/query?pg=q&kl=XX&stype=stext&q=%2B%22house+for+sale%22+%2B%224+bedrooms%22+%2B%22brick+exterior%22+%2B%22gas+heating%22&search.x=34&search.y=4
>
> You were probably disappointed by how few houses you have found. After
> all we might have expected much more 4 bedroom, gas heated with large
> master bedroom houses for sale in the whole English speaking world. It
> was not because the Search Engine failed. The Altavista Search Engine is
> probably the most powerful and comprehensive Search Engine in the world.
> It has many powerful search options. We used so called simple search
> technique and there is also advanced one, which allows for much more
> precise constructing of search strings. It was because on all these
> pages you tried to find, the data are organized in different ways, and
> because the search engine did not access MLS and other local commercial
> databases, where data are organized also in different way.
>
> Thus what I am trying to say is, that we also need some kind of
> standards, to be able communicate more effectively.
>
> We need standard, which will allow for effective searching. For example:
> instead using "four bedrooms" or "4 bdrms" or "bedrooms: 4", in
> standardized version it should be just something uniformly assumed like
> always "4 bedrooms" for example, and instead " house 4 sale" or "we are
> selling our house" or "we sell house" only "house for sale".
>
> This idea is not new. It is borrowed from way how databases are being
> built. In typical database all data are organized in so called fields
> and records. It is just simple table where fields could be columns and
> records the rows. The field is just one piece of information represented
> by 1 column. The field has its name. Examples of field names are:
> "Street Address", "City", "State", ..., "Number of Bedrooms", ..., etc.
> Each field consists of the same kind of information. The field may
> consist of only one kind of information (data). The information (data)
> can be numerical, text and other kind. The record is the all data
> collected on 1 item in 1 row (in our case it's 1 house). The same rule
> we can apply to the web pages, despite that they are built in a text
> form. If all single pages, which in this case represent one database,
> would be built accordingly to database rules, it will be easy to find
> only those, which fit our search string. So by analogy for example: the
> word "bedrooms" represents the field name and number "4" the data.
> Looking for 4 bedroom hose we write +"bedrooms 4" in our search string.
> The sign "+" is the request that the whole term (so-called the string of
> characters) has to exist on the page in exactly the same form (except
> that word "bedrooms" can also start with capital letter) according to
> Altavista search rules. This way in our search string we will be able to
> specify exactly what we are looking for. If we put +"house for sale"
> +"bedrooms 4", we find all 4 bedroom houses. If we add +"City Toronto"
> we will find all 4 bedrooms houses located in Toronto, of course if we
> all apply the same standard rules, or all pages which comply to our
> rules and particular search string. This way we can advertise for the
> whole world and be able to find houses in the whole world.
>
> We can produce the whole standard page for selling houses, put it in
> several places on the web, so anybody who wants to build his own page
> can access and use it. Not every page has to be the same. This would be
> extremely boring, but at least part of it. The rest could be in free
> form. So page would include the standard part only, and anybody who use
> it just fill the blanks, will add his own non-standard part, pictures
> and whatever he wants to. It is very easy to produce and modify web page
> using today's widely accessible software. You can use Composer from the
> Netscape's free standard "Netscape Navigator" package, or even
> Microsoft's Word word-processing software. In Netscape you can move the
> page you are looking at now into the Composer by executing <File> then
> <Edit Page> from the menu. You can modify it and then save as your own,
> into your own hard-drive.
>
> We can put steady information on each Usenet group dealing with the
> subject and let people know it exists. Additionally we can advertise it
> on the web and let the pyramid of those who will know about it grow.
>
> So let's do it.
>
> I am waiting for further ideas and suggestions.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ricaro

OK, maybe I am  in Big Mistake. Maybe I do not feel how people search Internet. Could anyone help, to straight me up?

Yours,

Ricaro


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<p>Ricaro Kovarotti wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Internet is a powerful tool, but I am still disappointed
how difficult
<br>is to find something there. And it's not because it isn't there but
<br>because of the way people build their web pages.
<p>What about finding a right house on the Internet?
<p>You want to buy a house then find a real estate service; probably I
<br>would hear many of times. Well, but there are dozens of reasons why
<br>using the Internet to sell and buy a house. First of all if more people
<br>would start advertise on Internet than would be greater chance to find
<br>what you really looking for, and for the seller to show and expose
all
<br>what he really wants. Buying a house you do not have to go for all
the
<br>appointments with your agent, cruising around and waste your time.
You
<br>can search for the house in your spare time, without feeling obligated
<br>that your agent already spent so much time and gas for you. You can
<br>still use the agent for advice and the final transaction, if you choose
<br>this way, after finding several houses that really interest you.
<p>You can find real-estate services also on the Internet today. You can
<br>even reach Multiple Listing Service (MLS) for the whole country, but
<br>what I have found they are still cripple. In MLS listing in Canada
for
<br>example you have to pick-up the small area first. If you are looking
for
<br>cottage or house in 150 miles around the City of Toronto this is not
<br>good point to start doing it. You wood have to go through all single
<br>designated areas to find it. The properties are very often poorly
<br>listed. You may look for lakefront and you find a waterfront, so you
do
<br>not exactly know, it might be the river front. Finally the information
<br>shown is only marginal, and you cannot really decide whether it is
what
<br>you are really looking for. The number of pictures is limited and often
<br>in poor quality.
<p>And finally what about all of us who want to privately sell or buy the
<br>house to save on commission. What if we want our page to reach not
only
<br>local, but also international market? What if we want to investigate
<br>remote market? It not only concerns real estate market, not only
<br>trading, but also other issues in general. Similar problem could be
with
<br>cars, boats, etc. The real estate example is just a good one to start
<br>with on this group because it's what interests most people. There are
<br>much more things we should be able to sell and buy privately on
<br>Internet. We have a very effective tool now. The only problem is how
we
<br>use it.
<p>I would like to show the way of how we can easily produce our page to
<br>sell our house presenting all information much more effectively than
<br>using any real-estate service.
<p>The main problem that we cannot find easily what we are looking for
on
<br>Internet starts with how we use our language. Using exotic style is
<br>maybe cool, but would it be easy to find this information for somebody
<br>who tries to do it? That's why we should apply most commonly used words
<br>and terms. Secondly there is a many way of saying and writing the same
<br>thing in English, as well as in other languages. We can write 4
<br>bedrooms, or 4 bdrms, or bedrooms: 4, etc.
<p>Why not give an easy try. Let's say we want to find 4-bedroom house
with
<br>brick exterior and gas heating. Let's use these commonly used terms.
One
<br>way of finding it is to construct the search string like:
<p>+"house for sale" +"4 bedrooms" +"brick exterior" +"gas heating"
<p>For those who are little familiar with searching on Internet I am giving
<br>detailed instructions in brackets:
<p>Highlight it then copy to clipboard
<br>(by pressing &lt;ctrl> and &lt;c> keys simultaneously, or using Edit
then Copy
<br>from the menu of your browser)
<p>Now click the URL (address) below to access the Altavista search engine,
<br>and paste it into the space after the "Search For:"
<br>(by pressing &lt;ctrl> and &lt;v> keys simultaneously, or using Edit
then
<br>Paste from the menu of your browser)
<p><a href="http://www.altavista.com/">http://www.altavista.com/</a>
<p>or just simply click on URL below to do it automatically at once:
<br><a href="http://www.altavista.com/cgi-bin/query?pg=q&kl=XX&stype=stext&q=%2B%22house+for+sale%22+%2B%224+bedrooms%22+%2B%22brick+exterior%22+%2B%22gas+heating%22&search.x=34&search.y=4">http://www.altavista.com/cgi-bin/query?pg=q&amp;kl=XX&amp;stype=stext&amp;q=%2B%22house+for+sale%22+%2B%224+bedrooms%22+%2B%22brick+exterior%22+%2B%22gas+heating%22&amp;search.x=34&amp;search.y=4</a>
<p>You were probably disappointed by how few houses you have found. After
<br>all we might have expected much more 4 bedroom, gas heated with large
<br>master bedroom houses for sale in the whole English speaking world.
It
<br>was not because the Search Engine failed. The Altavista Search Engine
is
<br>probably the most powerful and comprehensive Search Engine in the world.
<br>It has many powerful search options. We used so called simple search
<br>technique and there is also advanced one, which allows for much more
<br>precise constructing of search strings. It was because on all these
<br>pages you tried to find, the data are organized in different ways,
and
<br>because the search engine did not access MLS and other local commercial
<br>databases, where data are organized also in different way.
<p>Thus what I am trying to say is, that we also need some kind of
<br>standards, to be able communicate more effectively.
<p>We need standard, which will allow for effective searching. For example:
<br>instead using "four bedrooms" or "4 bdrms" or "bedrooms: 4", in
<br>standardized version it should be just something uniformly assumed
like
<br>always "4 bedrooms" for example, and instead " house 4 sale" or "we
are
<br>selling our house" or "we sell house" only "house for sale".
<p>This idea is not new. It is borrowed from way how databases are being
<br>built. In typical database all data are organized in so called fields
<br>and records. It is just simple table where fields could be columns
and
<br>records the rows. The field is just one piece of information represented
<br>by 1 column. The field has its name. Examples of field names are:
<br>"Street Address", "City", "State", ..., "Number of Bedrooms", ...,
etc.
<br>Each field consists of the same kind of information. The field may
<br>consist of only one kind of information (data). The information (data)
<br>can be numerical, text and other kind. The record is the all data
<br>collected on 1 item in 1 row (in our case it's 1 house). The same rule
<br>we can apply to the web pages, despite that they are built in a text
<br>form. If all single pages, which in this case represent one database,
<br>would be built accordingly to database rules, it will be easy to find
<br>only those, which fit our search string. So by analogy for example:
the
<br>word "bedrooms" represents the field name and number "4" the data.
<br>Looking for 4 bedroom hose we write +"bedrooms 4" in our search string.
<br>The sign "+" is the request that the whole term (so-called the string
of
<br>characters) has to exist on the page in exactly the same form (except
<br>that word "bedrooms" can also start with capital letter) according
to
<br>Altavista search rules. This way in our search string we will be able
to
<br>specify exactly what we are looking for. If we put +"house for sale"
<br>+"bedrooms 4", we find all 4 bedroom houses. If we add +"City Toronto"
<br>we will find all 4 bedrooms houses located in Toronto, of course if
we
<br>all apply the same standard rules, or all pages which comply to our
<br>rules and particular search string. This way we can advertise for the
<br>whole world and be able to find houses in the whole world.
<p>We can produce the whole standard page for selling houses, put it in
<br>several places on the web, so anybody who wants to build his own page
<br>can access and use it. Not every page has to be the same. This would
be
<br>extremely boring, but at least part of it. The rest could be in free
<br>form. So page would include the standard part only, and anybody who
use
<br>it just fill the blanks, will add his own non-standard part, pictures
<br>and whatever he wants to. It is very easy to produce and modify web
page
<br>using today's widely accessible software. You can use Composer from
the
<br>Netscape's free standard "Netscape Navigator" package, or even
<br>Microsoft's Word word-processing software. In Netscape you can move
the
<br>page you are looking at now into the Composer by executing &lt;File>
then
<br>&lt;Edit Page> from the menu. You can modify it and then save as your
own,
<br>into your own hard-drive.
<p>We can put steady information on each Usenet group dealing with the
<br>subject and let people know it exists. Additionally we can advertise
it
<br>on the web and let the pyramid of those who will know about it grow.
<p>So let's do it.
<p>I am waiting for further ideas and suggestions.
<p>Regards,
<p>Ricaro</blockquote>
OK, maybe I am&nbsp; in Big Mistake. Maybe I do not feel how people search
Internet. Could anyone help, to straight me up?
<p>Yours,
<p>Ricaro
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