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IMHO, a web ring is your answer- it links together sites with a similar =
topic
Check out http://www.webring.org=20

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  Ricaro Kovarotti <ricaro@visto.com> wrote in message =
news:37C3B657.800C5657@visto.com...
   =20
  Ricaro Kovarotti wrote:=20

    Internet is a powerful tool, but I am still disappointed how =
difficult=20
    is to find something there. And it's not because it isn't there but=20
    because of the way people build their web pages.=20
    What about finding a right house on the Internet?=20

    You want to buy a house then find a real estate service; probably I=20
    would hear many of times. Well, but there are dozens of reasons why=20
    using the Internet to sell and buy a house. First of all if more =
people=20
    would start advertise on Internet than would be greater chance to =
find=20
    what you really looking for, and for the seller to show and expose =
all=20
    what he really wants. Buying a house you do not have to go for all =
the=20
    appointments with your agent, cruising around and waste your time. =
You=20
    can search for the house in your spare time, without feeling =
obligated=20
    that your agent already spent so much time and gas for you. You can=20
    still use the agent for advice and the final transaction, if you =
choose=20
    this way, after finding several houses that really interest you.=20

    You can find real-estate services also on the Internet today. You =
can=20
    even reach Multiple Listing Service (MLS) for the whole country, but =

    what I have found they are still cripple. In MLS listing in Canada =
for=20
    example you have to pick-up the small area first. If you are looking =
for=20
    cottage or house in 150 miles around the City of Toronto this is not =

    good point to start doing it. You wood have to go through all single =

    designated areas to find it. The properties are very often poorly=20
    listed. You may look for lakefront and you find a waterfront, so you =
do=20
    not exactly know, it might be the river front. Finally the =
information=20
    shown is only marginal, and you cannot really decide whether it is =
what=20
    you are really looking for. The number of pictures is limited and =
often=20
    in poor quality.=20

    And finally what about all of us who want to privately sell or buy =
the=20
    house to save on commission. What if we want our page to reach not =
only=20
    local, but also international market? What if we want to investigate =

    remote market? It not only concerns real estate market, not only=20
    trading, but also other issues in general. Similar problem could be =
with=20
    cars, boats, etc. The real estate example is just a good one to =
start=20
    with on this group because it's what interests most people. There =
are=20
    much more things we should be able to sell and buy privately on=20
    Internet. We have a very effective tool now. The only problem is how =
we=20
    use it.=20

    I would like to show the way of how we can easily produce our page =
to=20
    sell our house presenting all information much more effectively than =

    using any real-estate service.=20

    The main problem that we cannot find easily what we are looking for =
on=20
    Internet starts with how we use our language. Using exotic style is=20
    maybe cool, but would it be easy to find this information for =
somebody=20
    who tries to do it? That's why we should apply most commonly used =
words=20
    and terms. Secondly there is a many way of saying and writing the =
same=20
    thing in English, as well as in other languages. We can write 4=20
    bedrooms, or 4 bdrms, or bedrooms: 4, etc.=20

    Why not give an easy try. Let's say we want to find 4-bedroom house =
with=20
    brick exterior and gas heating. Let's use these commonly used terms. =
One=20
    way of finding it is to construct the search string like:=20

    +"house for sale" +"4 bedrooms" +"brick exterior" +"gas heating"=20

    For those who are little familiar with searching on Internet I am =
giving=20
    detailed instructions in brackets:=20

    Highlight it then copy to clipboard=20
    (by pressing <ctrl> and <c> keys simultaneously, or using Edit then =
Copy=20
    from the menu of your browser)=20

    Now click the URL (address) below to access the Altavista search =
engine,=20
    and paste it into the space after the "Search For:"=20
    (by pressing <ctrl> and <v> keys simultaneously, or using Edit then=20
    Paste from the menu of your browser)=20

    http://www.altavista.com/=20

    or just simply click on URL below to do it automatically at once:=20
    =
http://www.altavista.com/cgi-bin/query?pg=3Dq&kl=3DXX&stype=3Dstext&q=3D%=
2B%22house+for+sale%22+%2B%224+bedrooms%22+%2B%22brick+exterior%22+%2B%22=
gas+heating%22&search.x=3D34&search.y=3D4=20

    You were probably disappointed by how few houses you have found. =
After=20
    all we might have expected much more 4 bedroom, gas heated with =
large=20
    master bedroom houses for sale in the whole English speaking world. =
It=20
    was not because the Search Engine failed. The Altavista Search =
Engine is=20
    probably the most powerful and comprehensive Search Engine in the =
world.=20
    It has many powerful search options. We used so called simple search =

    technique and there is also advanced one, which allows for much more =

    precise constructing of search strings. It was because on all these=20
    pages you tried to find, the data are organized in different ways, =
and=20
    because the search engine did not access MLS and other local =
commercial=20
    databases, where data are organized also in different way.=20

    Thus what I am trying to say is, that we also need some kind of=20
    standards, to be able communicate more effectively.=20

    We need standard, which will allow for effective searching. For =
example:=20
    instead using "four bedrooms" or "4 bdrms" or "bedrooms: 4", in=20
    standardized version it should be just something uniformly assumed =
like=20
    always "4 bedrooms" for example, and instead " house 4 sale" or "we =
are=20
    selling our house" or "we sell house" only "house for sale".=20

    This idea is not new. It is borrowed from way how databases are =
being=20
    built. In typical database all data are organized in so called =
fields=20
    and records. It is just simple table where fields could be columns =
and=20
    records the rows. The field is just one piece of information =
represented=20
    by 1 column. The field has its name. Examples of field names are:=20
    "Street Address", "City", "State", ..., "Number of Bedrooms", ..., =
etc.=20
    Each field consists of the same kind of information. The field may=20
    consist of only one kind of information (data). The information =
(data)=20
    can be numerical, text and other kind. The record is the all data=20
    collected on 1 item in 1 row (in our case it's 1 house). The same =
rule=20
    we can apply to the web pages, despite that they are built in a text =

    form. If all single pages, which in this case represent one =
database,=20
    would be built accordingly to database rules, it will be easy to =
find=20
    only those, which fit our search string. So by analogy for example: =
the=20
    word "bedrooms" represents the field name and number "4" the data.=20
    Looking for 4 bedroom hose we write +"bedrooms 4" in our search =
string.=20
    The sign "+" is the request that the whole term (so-called the =
string of=20
    characters) has to exist on the page in exactly the same form =
(except=20
    that word "bedrooms" can also start with capital letter) according =
to=20
    Altavista search rules. This way in our search string we will be =
able to=20
    specify exactly what we are looking for. If we put +"house for sale" =

    +"bedrooms 4", we find all 4 bedroom houses. If we add +"City =
Toronto"=20
    we will find all 4 bedrooms houses located in Toronto, of course if =
we=20
    all apply the same standard rules, or all pages which comply to our=20
    rules and particular search string. This way we can advertise for =
the=20
    whole world and be able to find houses in the whole world.=20

    We can produce the whole standard page for selling houses, put it in =

    several places on the web, so anybody who wants to build his own =
page=20
    can access and use it. Not every page has to be the same. This would =
be=20
    extremely boring, but at least part of it. The rest could be in free =

    form. So page would include the standard part only, and anybody who =
use=20
    it just fill the blanks, will add his own non-standard part, =
pictures=20
    and whatever he wants to. It is very easy to produce and modify web =
page=20
    using today's widely accessible software. You can use Composer from =
the=20
    Netscape's free standard "Netscape Navigator" package, or even=20
    Microsoft's Word word-processing software. In Netscape you can move =
the=20
    page you are looking at now into the Composer by executing <File> =
then=20
    <Edit Page> from the menu. You can modify it and then save as your =
own,=20
    into your own hard-drive.=20

    We can put steady information on each Usenet group dealing with the=20
    subject and let people know it exists. Additionally we can advertise =
it=20
    on the web and let the pyramid of those who will know about it grow. =


    So let's do it.=20

    I am waiting for further ideas and suggestions.=20

    Regards,=20

    Ricaro

  OK, maybe I am  in Big Mistake. Maybe I do not feel how people search =
Internet. Could anyone help, to straight me up?=20
  Yours,=20

  Ricaro=20
   =20


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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>IMHO, a web ring is your answer- it links together =
sites with=20
a similar topic</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Check out <A=20
href=3D"http://www.webring.org">http://www.webring.org</A> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>-- <BR>------<BR>Xslf<BR><A=20
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  <DIV>Ricaro Kovarotti &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:ricaro@visto.com">ricaro@visto.com</A>&gt; wrote in =
message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:37C3B657.800C5657@visto.com">news:37C3B657.800C5657@visto.co=
m</A>...</DIV>&nbsp;=20

  <P>Ricaro Kovarotti wrote:=20
  <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D"CITE">Internet is a powerful tool, but I am still=20
    disappointed how difficult <BR>is to find something there. And it's =
not=20
    because it isn't there but <BR>because of the way people build their =
web=20
    pages.=20
    <P>What about finding a right house on the Internet?=20
    <P>You want to buy a house then find a real estate service; probably =
I=20
    <BR>would hear many of times. Well, but there are dozens of reasons =
why=20
    <BR>using the Internet to sell and buy a house. First of all if more =
people=20
    <BR>would start advertise on Internet than would be greater chance =
to find=20
    <BR>what you really looking for, and for the seller to show and =
expose all=20
    <BR>what he really wants. Buying a house you do not have to go for =
all the=20
    <BR>appointments with your agent, cruising around and waste your =
time. You=20
    <BR>can search for the house in your spare time, without feeling =
obligated=20
    <BR>that your agent already spent so much time and gas for you. You =
can=20
    <BR>still use the agent for advice and the final transaction, if you =
choose=20
    <BR>this way, after finding several houses that really interest you. =

    <P>You can find real-estate services also on the Internet today. You =
can=20
    <BR>even reach Multiple Listing Service (MLS) for the whole country, =
but=20
    <BR>what I have found they are still cripple. In MLS listing in =
Canada for=20
    <BR>example you have to pick-up the small area first. If you are =
looking for=20
    <BR>cottage or house in 150 miles around the City of Toronto this is =
not=20
    <BR>good point to start doing it. You wood have to go through all =
single=20
    <BR>designated areas to find it. The properties are very often =
poorly=20
    <BR>listed. You may look for lakefront and you find a waterfront, so =
you do=20
    <BR>not exactly know, it might be the river front. Finally the =
information=20
    <BR>shown is only marginal, and you cannot really decide whether it =
is what=20
    <BR>you are really looking for. The number of pictures is limited =
and often=20
    <BR>in poor quality.=20
    <P>And finally what about all of us who want to privately sell or =
buy the=20
    <BR>house to save on commission. What if we want our page to reach =
not only=20
    <BR>local, but also international market? What if we want to =
investigate=20
    <BR>remote market? It not only concerns real estate market, not only =

    <BR>trading, but also other issues in general. Similar problem could =
be with=20
    <BR>cars, boats, etc. The real estate example is just a good one to =
start=20
    <BR>with on this group because it's what interests most people. =
There are=20
    <BR>much more things we should be able to sell and buy privately on=20
    <BR>Internet. We have a very effective tool now. The only problem is =
how we=20
    <BR>use it.=20
    <P>I would like to show the way of how we can easily produce our =
page to=20
    <BR>sell our house presenting all information much more effectively =
than=20
    <BR>using any real-estate service.=20
    <P>The main problem that we cannot find easily what we are looking =
for on=20
    <BR>Internet starts with how we use our language. Using exotic style =
is=20
    <BR>maybe cool, but would it be easy to find this information for =
somebody=20
    <BR>who tries to do it? That's why we should apply most commonly =
used words=20
    <BR>and terms. Secondly there is a many way of saying and writing =
the same=20
    <BR>thing in English, as well as in other languages. We can write 4=20
    <BR>bedrooms, or 4 bdrms, or bedrooms: 4, etc.=20
    <P>Why not give an easy try. Let's say we want to find 4-bedroom =
house with=20
    <BR>brick exterior and gas heating. Let's use these commonly used =
terms. One=20
    <BR>way of finding it is to construct the search string like:=20
    <P>+"house for sale" +"4 bedrooms" +"brick exterior" +"gas heating"=20
    <P>For those who are little familiar with searching on Internet I am =
giving=20
    <BR>detailed instructions in brackets:=20
    <P>Highlight it then copy to clipboard <BR>(by pressing &lt;ctrl&gt; =
and=20
    &lt;c&gt; keys simultaneously, or using Edit then Copy <BR>from the =
menu of=20
    your browser)=20
    <P>Now click the URL (address) below to access the Altavista search =
engine,=20
    <BR>and paste it into the space after the "Search For:" <BR>(by =
pressing=20
    &lt;ctrl&gt; and &lt;v&gt; keys simultaneously, or using Edit then =
<BR>Paste=20
    from the menu of your browser)=20
    <P><A =
href=3D"http://www.altavista.com/">http://www.altavista.com/</A>=20
    <P>or just simply click on URL below to do it automatically at once: =
<BR><A=20
    =
href=3D"http://www.altavista.com/cgi-bin/query?pg=3Dq&amp;kl=3DXX&amp;sty=
pe=3Dstext&amp;q=3D%2B%22house+for+sale%22+%2B%224+bedrooms%22+%2B%22bric=
k+exterior%22+%2B%22gas+heating%22&amp;search.x=3D34&amp;search.y=3D4">ht=
tp://www.altavista.com/cgi-bin/query?pg=3Dq&amp;kl=3DXX&amp;stype=3Dstext=
&amp;q=3D%2B%22house+for+sale%22+%2B%224+bedrooms%22+%2B%22brick+exterior=
%22+%2B%22gas+heating%22&amp;search.x=3D34&amp;search.y=3D4</A>=20

    <P>You were probably disappointed by how few houses you have found. =
After=20
    <BR>all we might have expected much more 4 bedroom, gas heated with =
large=20
    <BR>master bedroom houses for sale in the whole English speaking =
world. It=20
    <BR>was not because the Search Engine failed. The Altavista Search =
Engine is=20
    <BR>probably the most powerful and comprehensive Search Engine in =
the world.=20
    <BR>It has many powerful search options. We used so called simple =
search=20
    <BR>technique and there is also advanced one, which allows for much =
more=20
    <BR>precise constructing of search strings. It was because on all =
these=20
    <BR>pages you tried to find, the data are organized in different =
ways, and=20
    <BR>because the search engine did not access MLS and other local =
commercial=20
    <BR>databases, where data are organized also in different way.=20
    <P>Thus what I am trying to say is, that we also need some kind of=20
    <BR>standards, to be able communicate more effectively.=20
    <P>We need standard, which will allow for effective searching. For =
example:=20
    <BR>instead using "four bedrooms" or "4 bdrms" or "bedrooms: 4", in=20
    <BR>standardized version it should be just something uniformly =
assumed like=20
    <BR>always "4 bedrooms" for example, and instead " house 4 sale" or =
"we are=20
    <BR>selling our house" or "we sell house" only "house for sale".=20
    <P>This idea is not new. It is borrowed from way how databases are =
being=20
    <BR>built. In typical database all data are organized in so called =
fields=20
    <BR>and records. It is just simple table where fields could be =
columns and=20
    <BR>records the rows. The field is just one piece of information =
represented=20
    <BR>by 1 column. The field has its name. Examples of field names =
are:=20
    <BR>"Street Address", "City", "State", ..., "Number of Bedrooms", =
..., etc.=20
    <BR>Each field consists of the same kind of information. The field =
may=20
    <BR>consist of only one kind of information (data). The information =
(data)=20
    <BR>can be numerical, text and other kind. The record is the all =
data=20
    <BR>collected on 1 item in 1 row (in our case it's 1 house). The =
same rule=20
    <BR>we can apply to the web pages, despite that they are built in a =
text=20
    <BR>form. If all single pages, which in this case represent one =
database,=20
    <BR>would be built accordingly to database rules, it will be easy to =
find=20
    <BR>only those, which fit our search string. So by analogy for =
example: the=20
    <BR>word "bedrooms" represents the field name and number "4" the =
data.=20
    <BR>Looking for 4 bedroom hose we write +"bedrooms 4" in our search =
string.=20
    <BR>The sign "+" is the request that the whole term (so-called the =
string of=20
    <BR>characters) has to exist on the page in exactly the same form =
(except=20
    <BR>that word "bedrooms" can also start with capital letter) =
according to=20
    <BR>Altavista search rules. This way in our search string we will be =
able to=20
    <BR>specify exactly what we are looking for. If we put +"house for =
sale"=20
    <BR>+"bedrooms 4", we find all 4 bedroom houses. If we add +"City =
Toronto"=20
    <BR>we will find all 4 bedrooms houses located in Toronto, of course =
if we=20
    <BR>all apply the same standard rules, or all pages which comply to =
our=20
    <BR>rules and particular search string. This way we can advertise =
for the=20
    <BR>whole world and be able to find houses in the whole world.=20
    <P>We can produce the whole standard page for selling houses, put it =
in=20
    <BR>several places on the web, so anybody who wants to build his own =
page=20
    <BR>can access and use it. Not every page has to be the same. This =
would be=20
    <BR>extremely boring, but at least part of it. The rest could be in =
free=20
    <BR>form. So page would include the standard part only, and anybody =
who use=20
    <BR>it just fill the blanks, will add his own non-standard part, =
pictures=20
    <BR>and whatever he wants to. It is very easy to produce and modify =
web page=20
    <BR>using today's widely accessible software. You can use Composer =
from the=20
    <BR>Netscape's free standard "Netscape Navigator" package, or even=20
    <BR>Microsoft's Word word-processing software. In Netscape you can =
move the=20
    <BR>page you are looking at now into the Composer by executing =
&lt;File&gt;=20
    then <BR>&lt;Edit Page&gt; from the menu. You can modify it and then =
save as=20
    your own, <BR>into your own hard-drive.=20
    <P>We can put steady information on each Usenet group dealing with =
the=20
    <BR>subject and let people know it exists. Additionally we can =
advertise it=20
    <BR>on the web and let the pyramid of those who will know about it =
grow.=20
    <P>So let's do it.=20
    <P>I am waiting for further ideas and suggestions.=20
    <P>Regards,=20
    <P>Ricaro</P></BLOCKQUOTE>OK, maybe I am&nbsp; in Big Mistake. Maybe =
I do not=20
  feel how people search Internet. Could anyone help, to straight me up? =

  <P>Yours,=20
  <P>Ricaro <BR>&nbsp; </P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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