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there is no way that works for me
--=20
sig. http://members.tripod.com/web_4/1free.html
  Xslf <xslf@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:7r2r2q$nq6$1@news.netvision.net.il...
  IMHO, a web ring is your answer- it links together sites with a =
similar topic
  Check out http://www.webring.org=20

  --=20
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  Xslf
  http://www.xslf.com


    Ricaro Kovarotti <ricaro@visto.com> wrote in message =
news:37C3B657.800C5657@visto.com...
     =20
    Ricaro Kovarotti wrote:=20

      Internet is a powerful tool, but I am still disappointed how =
difficult=20
      is to find something there. And it's not because it isn't there =
but=20
      because of the way people build their web pages.=20
      What about finding a right house on the Internet?=20

      You want to buy a house then find a real estate service; probably =
I=20
      would hear many of times. Well, but there are dozens of reasons =
why=20
      using the Internet to sell and buy a house. First of all if more =
people=20
      would start advertise on Internet than would be greater chance to =
find=20
      what you really looking for, and for the seller to show and expose =
all=20
      what he really wants. Buying a house you do not have to go for all =
the=20
      appointments with your agent, cruising around and waste your time. =
You=20
      can search for the house in your spare time, without feeling =
obligated=20
      that your agent already spent so much time and gas for you. You =
can=20
      still use the agent for advice and the final transaction, if you =
choose=20
      this way, after finding several houses that really interest you.=20

      You can find real-estate services also on the Internet today. You =
can=20
      even reach Multiple Listing Service (MLS) for the whole country, =
but=20
      what I have found they are still cripple. In MLS listing in Canada =
for=20
      example you have to pick-up the small area first. If you are =
looking for=20
      cottage or house in 150 miles around the City of Toronto this is =
not=20
      good point to start doing it. You wood have to go through all =
single=20
      designated areas to find it. The properties are very often poorly=20
      listed. You may look for lakefront and you find a waterfront, so =
you do=20
      not exactly know, it might be the river front. Finally the =
information=20
      shown is only marginal, and you cannot really decide whether it is =
what=20
      you are really looking for. The number of pictures is limited and =
often=20
      in poor quality.=20

      And finally what about all of us who want to privately sell or buy =
the=20
      house to save on commission. What if we want our page to reach not =
only=20
      local, but also international market? What if we want to =
investigate=20
      remote market? It not only concerns real estate market, not only=20
      trading, but also other issues in general. Similar problem could =
be with=20
      cars, boats, etc. The real estate example is just a good one to =
start=20
      with on this group because it's what interests most people. There =
are=20
      much more things we should be able to sell and buy privately on=20
      Internet. We have a very effective tool now. The only problem is =
how we=20
      use it.=20

      I would like to show the way of how we can easily produce our page =
to=20
      sell our house presenting all information much more effectively =
than=20
      using any real-estate service.=20

      The main problem that we cannot find easily what we are looking =
for on=20
      Internet starts with how we use our language. Using exotic style =
is=20
      maybe cool, but would it be easy to find this information for =
somebody=20
      who tries to do it? That's why we should apply most commonly used =
words=20
      and terms. Secondly there is a many way of saying and writing the =
same=20
      thing in English, as well as in other languages. We can write 4=20
      bedrooms, or 4 bdrms, or bedrooms: 4, etc.=20

      Why not give an easy try. Let's say we want to find 4-bedroom =
house with=20
      brick exterior and gas heating. Let's use these commonly used =
terms. One=20
      way of finding it is to construct the search string like:=20

      +"house for sale" +"4 bedrooms" +"brick exterior" +"gas heating"=20

      For those who are little familiar with searching on Internet I am =
giving=20
      detailed instructions in brackets:=20

      Highlight it then copy to clipboard=20
      (by pressing <ctrl> and <c> keys simultaneously, or using Edit =
then Copy=20
      from the menu of your browser)=20

      Now click the URL (address) below to access the Altavista search =
engine,=20
      and paste it into the space after the "Search For:"=20
      (by pressing <ctrl> and <v> keys simultaneously, or using Edit =
then=20
      Paste from the menu of your browser)=20

      http://www.altavista.com/=20

      or just simply click on URL below to do it automatically at once:=20
      =
http://www.altavista.com/cgi-bin/query?pg=3Dq&kl=3DXX&stype=3Dstext&q=3D%=
2B%22house+for+sale%22+%2B%224+bedrooms%22+%2B%22brick+exterior%22+%2B%22=
gas+heating%22&search.x=3D34&search.y=3D4=20

      You were probably disappointed by how few houses you have found. =
After=20
      all we might have expected much more 4 bedroom, gas heated with =
large=20
      master bedroom houses for sale in the whole English speaking =
world. It=20
      was not because the Search Engine failed. The Altavista Search =
Engine is=20
      probably the most powerful and comprehensive Search Engine in the =
world.=20
      It has many powerful search options. We used so called simple =
search=20
      technique and there is also advanced one, which allows for much =
more=20
      precise constructing of search strings. It was because on all =
these=20
      pages you tried to find, the data are organized in different ways, =
and=20
      because the search engine did not access MLS and other local =
commercial=20
      databases, where data are organized also in different way.=20

      Thus what I am trying to say is, that we also need some kind of=20
      standards, to be able communicate more effectively.=20

      We need standard, which will allow for effective searching. For =
example:=20
      instead using "four bedrooms" or "4 bdrms" or "bedrooms: 4", in=20
      standardized version it should be just something uniformly assumed =
like=20
      always "4 bedrooms" for example, and instead " house 4 sale" or =
"we are=20
      selling our house" or "we sell house" only "house for sale".=20

      This idea is not new. It is borrowed from way how databases are =
being=20
      built. In typical database all data are organized in so called =
fields=20
      and records. It is just simple table where fields could be columns =
and=20
      records the rows. The field is just one piece of information =
represented=20
      by 1 column. The field has its name. Examples of field names are:=20
      "Street Address", "City", "State", ..., "Number of Bedrooms", ..., =
etc.=20
      Each field consists of the same kind of information. The field may =

      consist of only one kind of information (data). The information =
(data)=20
      can be numerical, text and other kind. The record is the all data=20
      collected on 1 item in 1 row (in our case it's 1 house). The same =
rule=20
      we can apply to the web pages, despite that they are built in a =
text=20
      form. If all single pages, which in this case represent one =
database,=20
      would be built accordingly to database rules, it will be easy to =
find=20
      only those, which fit our search string. So by analogy for =
example: the=20
      word "bedrooms" represents the field name and number "4" the data. =

      Looking for 4 bedroom hose we write +"bedrooms 4" in our search =
string.=20
      The sign "+" is the request that the whole term (so-called the =
string of=20
      characters) has to exist on the page in exactly the same form =
(except=20
      that word "bedrooms" can also start with capital letter) according =
to=20
      Altavista search rules. This way in our search string we will be =
able to=20
      specify exactly what we are looking for. If we put +"house for =
sale"=20
      +"bedrooms 4", we find all 4 bedroom houses. If we add +"City =
Toronto"=20
      we will find all 4 bedrooms houses located in Toronto, of course =
if we=20
      all apply the same standard rules, or all pages which comply to =
our=20
      rules and particular search string. This way we can advertise for =
the=20
      whole world and be able to find houses in the whole world.=20

      We can produce the whole standard page for selling houses, put it =
in=20
      several places on the web, so anybody who wants to build his own =
page=20
      can access and use it. Not every page has to be the same. This =
would be=20
      extremely boring, but at least part of it. The rest could be in =
free=20
      form. So page would include the standard part only, and anybody =
who use=20
      it just fill the blanks, will add his own non-standard part, =
pictures=20
      and whatever he wants to. It is very easy to produce and modify =
web page=20
      using today's widely accessible software. You can use Composer =
from the=20
      Netscape's free standard "Netscape Navigator" package, or even=20
      Microsoft's Word word-processing software. In Netscape you can =
move the=20
      page you are looking at now into the Composer by executing <File> =
then=20
      <Edit Page> from the menu. You can modify it and then save as your =
own,=20
      into your own hard-drive.=20

      We can put steady information on each Usenet group dealing with =
the=20
      subject and let people know it exists. Additionally we can =
advertise it=20
      on the web and let the pyramid of those who will know about it =
grow.=20

      So let's do it.=20

      I am waiting for further ideas and suggestions.=20

      Regards,=20

      Ricaro

    OK, maybe I am  in Big Mistake. Maybe I do not feel how people =
search Internet. Could anyone help, to straight me up?=20
    Yours,=20

    Ricaro=20
     =20


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>there is no way that works for me<BR>-- =
<BR>sig. <A=20
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  <DIV>Xslf &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:xslf@hotmail.com">xslf@hotmail.com</A>&gt; wrote=20
  in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:7r2r2q$nq6$1@news.netvision.net.il">news:7r2r2q$nq6$1@news.n=
etvision.net.il</A>...</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>IMHO, a web ring is your answer- it links together =
sites=20
  with a similar topic</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Check out <A=20
  href=3D"http://www.webring.org">http://www.webring.org</A> =
</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><BR>-- <BR>------<BR>Xslf<BR><A=20
  href=3D"http://www.xslf.com">http://www.xslf.com</A></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV>Ricaro Kovarotti &lt;<A=20
    href=3D"mailto:ricaro@visto.com">ricaro@visto.com</A>&gt; wrote in =
message <A=20
    =
href=3D"news:37C3B657.800C5657@visto.com">news:37C3B657.800C5657@visto.co=
m</A>...</DIV>&nbsp;=20

    <P>Ricaro Kovarotti wrote:=20
    <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D"CITE">Internet is a powerful tool, but I am =
still=20
      disappointed how difficult <BR>is to find something there. And =
it's not=20
      because it isn't there but <BR>because of the way people build =
their web=20
      pages.=20
      <P>What about finding a right house on the Internet?=20
      <P>You want to buy a house then find a real estate service; =
probably I=20
      <BR>would hear many of times. Well, but there are dozens of =
reasons why=20
      <BR>using the Internet to sell and buy a house. First of all if =
more=20
      people <BR>would start advertise on Internet than would be greater =
chance=20
      to find <BR>what you really looking for, and for the seller to =
show and=20
      expose all <BR>what he really wants. Buying a house you do not =
have to go=20
      for all the <BR>appointments with your agent, cruising around and =
waste=20
      your time. You <BR>can search for the house in your spare time, =
without=20
      feeling obligated <BR>that your agent already spent so much time =
and gas=20
      for you. You can <BR>still use the agent for advice and the final=20
      transaction, if you choose <BR>this way, after finding several =
houses that=20
      really interest you.=20
      <P>You can find real-estate services also on the Internet today. =
You can=20
      <BR>even reach Multiple Listing Service (MLS) for the whole =
country, but=20
      <BR>what I have found they are still cripple. In MLS listing in =
Canada for=20
      <BR>example you have to pick-up the small area first. If you are =
looking=20
      for <BR>cottage or house in 150 miles around the City of Toronto =
this is=20
      not <BR>good point to start doing it. You wood have to go through =
all=20
      single <BR>designated areas to find it. The properties are very =
often=20
      poorly <BR>listed. You may look for lakefront and you find a =
waterfront,=20
      so you do <BR>not exactly know, it might be the river front. =
Finally the=20
      information <BR>shown is only marginal, and you cannot really =
decide=20
      whether it is what <BR>you are really looking for. The number of =
pictures=20
      is limited and often <BR>in poor quality.=20
      <P>And finally what about all of us who want to privately sell or =
buy the=20
      <BR>house to save on commission. What if we want our page to reach =
not=20
      only <BR>local, but also international market? What if we want to=20
      investigate <BR>remote market? It not only concerns real estate =
market,=20
      not only <BR>trading, but also other issues in general. Similar =
problem=20
      could be with <BR>cars, boats, etc. The real estate example is =
just a good=20
      one to start <BR>with on this group because it's what interests =
most=20
      people. There are <BR>much more things we should be able to sell =
and buy=20
      privately on <BR>Internet. We have a very effective tool now. The =
only=20
      problem is how we <BR>use it.=20
      <P>I would like to show the way of how we can easily produce our =
page to=20
      <BR>sell our house presenting all information much more =
effectively than=20
      <BR>using any real-estate service.=20
      <P>The main problem that we cannot find easily what we are looking =
for on=20
      <BR>Internet starts with how we use our language. Using exotic =
style is=20
      <BR>maybe cool, but would it be easy to find this information for =
somebody=20
      <BR>who tries to do it? That's why we should apply most commonly =
used=20
      words <BR>and terms. Secondly there is a many way of saying and =
writing=20
      the same <BR>thing in English, as well as in other languages. We =
can write=20
      4 <BR>bedrooms, or 4 bdrms, or bedrooms: 4, etc.=20
      <P>Why not give an easy try. Let's say we want to find 4-bedroom =
house=20
      with <BR>brick exterior and gas heating. Let's use these commonly =
used=20
      terms. One <BR>way of finding it is to construct the search string =
like:=20
      <P>+"house for sale" +"4 bedrooms" +"brick exterior" +"gas =
heating"=20
      <P>For those who are little familiar with searching on Internet I =
am=20
      giving <BR>detailed instructions in brackets:=20
      <P>Highlight it then copy to clipboard <BR>(by pressing =
&lt;ctrl&gt; and=20
      &lt;c&gt; keys simultaneously, or using Edit then Copy <BR>from =
the menu=20
      of your browser)=20
      <P>Now click the URL (address) below to access the Altavista =
search=20
      engine, <BR>and paste it into the space after the "Search For:" =
<BR>(by=20
      pressing &lt;ctrl&gt; and &lt;v&gt; keys simultaneously, or using =
Edit=20
      then <BR>Paste from the menu of your browser)=20
      <P><A =
href=3D"http://www.altavista.com/">http://www.altavista.com/</A>=20
      <P>or just simply click on URL below to do it automatically at =
once:=20
      <BR><A=20
      =
href=3D"http://www.altavista.com/cgi-bin/query?pg=3Dq&amp;kl=3DXX&amp;sty=
pe=3Dstext&amp;q=3D%2B%22house+for+sale%22+%2B%224+bedrooms%22+%2B%22bric=
k+exterior%22+%2B%22gas+heating%22&amp;search.x=3D34&amp;search.y=3D4">ht=
tp://www.altavista.com/cgi-bin/query?pg=3Dq&amp;kl=3DXX&amp;stype=3Dstext=
&amp;q=3D%2B%22house+for+sale%22+%2B%224+bedrooms%22+%2B%22brick+exterior=
%22+%2B%22gas+heating%22&amp;search.x=3D34&amp;search.y=3D4</A>=20

      <P>You were probably disappointed by how few houses you have =
found. After=20
      <BR>all we might have expected much more 4 bedroom, gas heated =
with large=20
      <BR>master bedroom houses for sale in the whole English speaking =
world. It=20
      <BR>was not because the Search Engine failed. The Altavista Search =
Engine=20
      is <BR>probably the most powerful and comprehensive Search Engine =
in the=20
      world. <BR>It has many powerful search options. We used so called =
simple=20
      search <BR>technique and there is also advanced one, which allows =
for much=20
      more <BR>precise constructing of search strings. It was because on =
all=20
      these <BR>pages you tried to find, the data are organized in =
different=20
      ways, and <BR>because the search engine did not access MLS and =
other local=20
      commercial <BR>databases, where data are organized also in =
different way.=20
      <P>Thus what I am trying to say is, that we also need some kind of =

      <BR>standards, to be able communicate more effectively.=20
      <P>We need standard, which will allow for effective searching. For =

      example: <BR>instead using "four bedrooms" or "4 bdrms" or =
"bedrooms: 4",=20
      in <BR>standardized version it should be just something uniformly =
assumed=20
      like <BR>always "4 bedrooms" for example, and instead " house 4 =
sale" or=20
      "we are <BR>selling our house" or "we sell house" only "house for =
sale".=20
      <P>This idea is not new. It is borrowed from way how databases are =
being=20
      <BR>built. In typical database all data are organized in so called =
fields=20
      <BR>and records. It is just simple table where fields could be =
columns and=20
      <BR>records the rows. The field is just one piece of information=20
      represented <BR>by 1 column. The field has its name. Examples of =
field=20
      names are: <BR>"Street Address", "City", "State", ..., "Number of=20
      Bedrooms", ..., etc. <BR>Each field consists of the same kind of=20
      information. The field may <BR>consist of only one kind of =
information=20
      (data). The information (data) <BR>can be numerical, text and =
other kind.=20
      The record is the all data <BR>collected on 1 item in 1 row (in =
our case=20
      it's 1 house). The same rule <BR>we can apply to the web pages, =
despite=20
      that they are built in a text <BR>form. If all single pages, which =
in this=20
      case represent one database, <BR>would be built accordingly to =
database=20
      rules, it will be easy to find <BR>only those, which fit our =
search=20
      string. So by analogy for example: the <BR>word "bedrooms" =
represents the=20
      field name and number "4" the data. <BR>Looking for 4 bedroom hose =
we=20
      write +"bedrooms 4" in our search string. <BR>The sign "+" is the =
request=20
      that the whole term (so-called the string of <BR>characters) has =
to exist=20
      on the page in exactly the same form (except <BR>that word =
"bedrooms" can=20
      also start with capital letter) according to <BR>Altavista search =
rules.=20
      This way in our search string we will be able to <BR>specify =
exactly what=20
      we are looking for. If we put +"house for sale" <BR>+"bedrooms 4", =
we find=20
      all 4 bedroom houses. If we add +"City Toronto" <BR>we will find =
all 4=20
      bedrooms houses located in Toronto, of course if we <BR>all apply =
the same=20
      standard rules, or all pages which comply to our <BR>rules and =
particular=20
      search string. This way we can advertise for the <BR>whole world =
and be=20
      able to find houses in the whole world.=20
      <P>We can produce the whole standard page for selling houses, put =
it in=20
      <BR>several places on the web, so anybody who wants to build his =
own page=20
      <BR>can access and use it. Not every page has to be the same. This =
would=20
      be <BR>extremely boring, but at least part of it. The rest could =
be in=20
      free <BR>form. So page would include the standard part only, and =
anybody=20
      who use <BR>it just fill the blanks, will add his own non-standard =
part,=20
      pictures <BR>and whatever he wants to. It is very easy to produce =
and=20
      modify web page <BR>using today's widely accessible software. You =
can use=20
      Composer from the <BR>Netscape's free standard "Netscape =
Navigator"=20
      package, or even <BR>Microsoft's Word word-processing software. In =

      Netscape you can move the <BR>page you are looking at now into the =

      Composer by executing &lt;File&gt; then <BR>&lt;Edit Page&gt; from =
the=20
      menu. You can modify it and then save as your own, <BR>into your =
own=20
      hard-drive.=20
      <P>We can put steady information on each Usenet group dealing with =
the=20
      <BR>subject and let people know it exists. Additionally we can =
advertise=20
      it <BR>on the web and let the pyramid of those who will know about =
it=20
      grow.=20
      <P>So let's do it.=20
      <P>I am waiting for further ideas and suggestions.=20
      <P>Regards,=20
      <P>Ricaro</P></BLOCKQUOTE>OK, maybe I am&nbsp; in Big Mistake. =
Maybe I do=20
    not feel how people search Internet. Could anyone help, to straight =
me up?=20
    <P>Yours,=20
    <P>Ricaro <BR>&nbsp; </P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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