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Article #4Is There Effective Way to Search Internet?
From: Ricaro Kovarotti
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:00
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:00
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Internet is a powerful tool, but I am still disappointed how difficult is to find something there. And it's not because it isn't there but because of the way people build their web pages. What about finding a right house on the Internet? You want to buy a house then find a real estate service; probably I would hear many of times. Well, but there are dozens of reasons why using the Internet to sell and buy a house. First of all if more people would start advertise on Internet than would be greater chance to find what you really looking for, and for the seller to show and expose all what he really wants. Buying a house you do not have to go for all the appointments with your agent, cruising around and waste your time. You can search for the house in your spare time, without feeling obligated that your agent already spent so much time and gas for you. You can still use the agent for advice and the final transaction, if you choose this way, after finding several houses that really interest you. You can find real-estate services also on the Internet today. You can even reach Multiple Listing Service (MLS) for the whole country, but what I have found they are still cripple. In MLS listing in Canada for example you have to pick-up the small area first. If you are looking for cottage or house in 150 miles around the City of Toronto this is not good point to start doing it. You wood have to go through all single designated areas to find it. The properties are very often poorly listed. You may look for lakefront and you find a waterfront, so you do not exactly know, it might be the river front. Finally the information shown is only marginal, and you cannot really decide whether it is what you are really looking for. The number of pictures is limited and often in poor quality. And finally what about all of us who want to privately sell or buy the house to save on commission. What if we want our page to reach not only local, but also international market? What if we want to investigate remote market? It not only concerns real estate market, not only trading, but also other issues in general. Similar problem could be with cars, boats, etc. The real estate example is just a good one to start with on this group because it's what interests most people. There are much more things we should be able to sell and buy privately on Internet. We have a very effective tool now. The only problem is how we use it. I would like to show the way of how we can easily produce our page to sell our house presenting all information much more effectively than using any real-estate service. The main problem that we cannot find easily what we are looking for on Internet starts with how we use our language. Using exotic style is maybe cool, but would it be easy to find this information for somebody who tries to do it? That's why we should apply most commonly used words and terms. Secondly there is a many way of saying and writing the same thing in English, as well as in other languages. We can write 4 bedrooms, or 4 bdrms, or bedrooms: 4, etc. Why not give an easy try. Let's say we want to find 4-bedroom house with brick exterior and gas heating. Let's use these commonly used terms. One way of finding it is to construct the search string like: +"house for sale" +"4 bedrooms" +"brick exterior" +"gas heating" For those who are little familiar with searching on Internet I am giving detailed instructions in brackets: Highlight it then copy to clipboard (by pressing <ctrl> and <c> keys simultaneously, or using Edit then Copy from the menu of your browser) Now click the URL (address) below to access the Altavista search engine, and paste it into the space after the "Search For:" (by pressing <ctrl> and <v> keys simultaneously, or using Edit then Paste from the menu of your browser) http://www.altavista.com/ or just simply click on URL below to do it automatically at once: http://www.altavista.com/cgi-bin/query?pg=q&kl=XX&stype=stext&q=%2B%22house+for+sale%22+%2B%224+bedrooms%22+%2B%22brick+exterior%22+%2B%22gas+heating%22&search.x=34&search.y=4 You were probably disappointed by how few houses you have found. After all we might have expected much more 4 bedroom, gas heated with large master bedroom houses for sale in the whole English speaking world. It was not because the Search Engine failed. The Altavista Search Engine is probably the most powerful and comprehensive Search Engine in the world. It has many powerful search options. We used so called simple search technique and there is also advanced one, which allows for much more precise constructing of search strings. It was because on all these pages you tried to find, the data are organized in different ways, and because the search engine did not access MLS and other local commercial databases, where data are organized also in different way. Thus what I am trying to say is, that we also need some kind of standards, to be able communicate more effectively. We need standard, which will allow for effective searching. For example: instead using "four bedrooms" or "4 bdrms" or "bedrooms: 4", in standardized version it should be just something uniformly assumed like always "4 bedrooms" for example, and instead " house 4 sale" or "we are selling our house" or "we sell house" only "house for sale". This idea is not new. It is borrowed from way how databases are being built. In typical database all data are organized in so called fields and records. It is just simple table where fields could be columns and records the rows. The field is just one piece of information represented by 1 column. The field has its name. Examples of field names are: "Street Address", "City", "State", ..., "Number of Bedrooms", ..., etc. Each field consists of the same kind of information. The field may consist of only one kind of information (data). The information (data) can be numerical, text and other kind. The record is the all data collected on 1 item in 1 row (in our case it's 1 house). The same rule we can apply to the web pages, despite that they are built in a text form. If all single pages, which in this case represent one database, would be built accordingly to database rules, it will be easy to find only those, which fit our search string. So by analogy for example: the word "bedrooms" represents the field name and number "4" the data. Looking for 4 bedroom hose we write +"bedrooms 4" in our search string. The sign "+" is the request that the whole term (so-called the string of characters) has to exist on the page in exactly the same form (except that word "bedrooms" can also start with capital letter) according to Altavista search rules. This way in our search string we will be able to specify exactly what we are looking for. If we put +"house for sale" +"bedrooms 4", we find all 4 bedroom houses. If we add +"City Toronto" we will find all 4 bedrooms houses located in Toronto, of course if we all apply the same standard rules, or all pages which comply to our rules and particular search string. This way we can advertise for the whole world and be able to find houses in the whole world. We can produce the whole standard page for selling houses, put it in several places on the web, so anybody who wants to build his own page can access and use it. Not every page has to be the same. This would be extremely boring, but at least part of it. The rest could be in free form. So page would include the standard part only, and anybody who use it just fill the blanks, will add his own non-standard part, pictures and whatever he wants to. It is very easy to produce and modify web page using today's widely accessible software. You can use Composer from the Netscape's free standard "Netscape Navigator" package, or even Microsoft's Word word-processing software. In Netscape you can move the page you are looking at now into the Composer by executing <File> then <Edit Page> from the menu. You can modify it and then save as your own, into your own hard-drive. We can put steady information on each Usenet group dealing with the subject and let people know it exists. Additionally we can advertise it on the web and let the pyramid of those who will know about it grow. So let's do it. I am waiting for further ideas and suggestions. Regards, Ricaro
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