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In article <4fifdo$cks@scramble.lm.com>, DrG <drg@manus.org> wrote:
>here is a list of people that Tim Skirvin Hates.
>This litttle 18 year-old boy sure hates a lot of people:

>> /Anyway, from here on in, it's Tim's show/
>> *This oughta explain why everyone's in here*
>> 
>> The Prisoners
>> 
>> * Mark Gibson
>> * Steve "Speedbump" Boursy
>> * Michael Falkner
>> * Robin King
>> * Supreme Overlord KAZ Vorpal
>> * Bob Allisat
>> * Rick "Woody" Sherwood
>> * Joseph Dunphy
>> * John Grubor
>> * The Guest Cell -- Stanley, Hayes, Westbrook, 
Palmer, Winter, wilf, bat, etc.
>> 
>> Mark Gibson
>> 
>> gibson@prairienet.org
>> 
>> I met Mark Gibson on pnet.talk.politics, a local political group
>> that I once frequented. He was outspoken, rude, obnoxious, and so
>> forth; I dealt with it, just because that's how I worked back then.
>> 
>> Eventually, though, he _really_ got on my nerves. He would never
>> actually argue points, he'd just go back to personal attacks; he
>> wouldn't ever have substance to his posts; he spent a lot of time
>> just randomly flaming, never mind that some of us wanted to argue
>> with him.
>> 
>> Because of him, I decided to have a killfile.
>> 
>> *Hey, what about us?*
>> /You never mention us in these things.../
>> 
>> Of course, I now know him in real life -- and he's really nowhere
>> near as bad. Ah, well. That doesn't mean he's getting out or
>> anything.
>> 
>> /He's _real_ obnoxious around here, so you know/
>> *Not the worst, of course (we get a whole bunch of idiots around here),
>> but pretty close to it*
>> /The best part is that he still doesn't believe he _is_ killfiled/
>> *Denying your state of existance is fun to watch...*
>> 
>> * The Great Re-*plonk* -- July 17, 1995
>> After I took Mark out for a short period of time, just to see if
>> he'd gotten a bit better on the net, I found more of the same; I may
>> have lost the original *plonk*, but here's second-best.
>> 
>> Additional information: Mark hangs around on talk.politics.guns most
>> of the time; if you really want to find him, he'll be there.
>> 
>> Stephen "Speedbump" Boursy
>> 
>> boursy@world.std.com
>> 
>> Steve Boursy, known to much of Usenet as "Speedbump", is a guy from
>> somewhere in New England that I don't appreciate very much.
>> 
>> /_You_ don't appreciate him much?/
>> 
>> Steve has many claims to fame, actually, more than he really
>> deserves. Mostly, he's known as a nuisance to just about everyone
>> that reads news.admin.* (myself included), for one major reason: he
>> insists that everone's a censor. _Everyone_.
>> 
>> *Guess how he feels about us*
>> 
>> Boursy first came to prominence when he was trolled big-time by Joel
>> Furr, in one of the great flamewars of all time. Joel posted that
>> Steve had been added "to the global killfile"; Boursy, who had no
>> idea what he was talking about, thought he was serious and went on a
>> large campaign against Joel.
>> 
>> Needless to say, it was _really_ damned funny.
>> 
>> That's not all that he's famous for, though. He has a term named
>> after him: boursify, meaning "to add multiple meaningless newsgroups
>> to the header for no particular reason". He has two newsgroups: his
>> own fan group, alt.fan.speedbump, and news.admin.policy, which he
>> inherited after every other living being on earth gave up on it. He
>> has attempted to get various people's accounts revoked for posting
>> political opinions from a company machines. His favorite phrase is
>> "Thus showing the need for Consumer Protection Legislation"
>> concerning ISPs. And who could forget his "Dave Lawrence is a
>> censor!" campaign?
>> 
>> Basically, I just gave up with him after a short time trying to
>> argue with him. It didn't work. It has also definitely saved me a
>> lot of time and trouble to keep him safely away.
>> 
>> /Yeah, and he's stuck in here/
>> *We don't like him*
>> /He's annoying/
>> *It is fun to whack him*
>> 
>> * A random insult -- January 12, 1996
>> Every now and then, Boursy pops back up somewhere and is annoying.
>> Even the Daemons think so.
>> 
>> Additional information: Boursy and Grubor are currently waging a two
>> man war against all of news.admin.net-abuse.misc for the Evil
>> Practice of Cancels(tm). Part of this has been threats against such
>> people as Chris Lewis and Jan Isley. Steve may not be around much
>> longer.
>> 
>> Michael Falkner
>> 
>> mfalkner@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu
>> 
>> Falkner is...well, insane.
>> 
>> *You're kidding*
>> /_We_ never noticed.../
>> *sigh*
>> 
>> I tried arguing with him a while back. It was about censorship in
>> general, I think; he argued that the first amendment didn't apply,
>> because nobody had the right to have others amplify their speech. Or
>> something. I never really understood it. Of course, we did get out
>> such wonderful quotes as "Why is everyone so damned scared of an
>> Orwellian society?" and "You know, Congress could ban God now, and
>> there isn't anything you or I could do about it." It was a fun
>> fight. For a while.
>> 
>> I plonked him when he got boring.
>> 
>> For the record, he's a major Debbie Gibson fan. I don't know why.
>> 
>> /Yes, he's a whacko/
>> *But at least he's quiet*
>> 
>> * A good re-plonk -- December 19, 1995
>> Falkner was still hanging around alt.censorship a while back,
>> defending the various incarnations of the Exon bill, and of course
>> making a fool of himself. With one of the responses...well, it's
>> hard to pass up...
>> 
>> Additional information: Falkner tends to lie low a lot of the time,
>> but occasionally shows up in alt.censorship, comp.org.eff.talk, and
>> the like, where he battles the forces of good and loses badly. He's
>> one of the easiest to ignore.
>> 
>> Robin King
>> 
>> rbking@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
>> 
>> Not much to say about this guy. I probably shouldn't have plonked
>> him...
>> 
>> /I'll say/
>> *Stupid, obnoxious guy*
>> /And a _real_ major racist/
>> 
>> That's the problem. He's the local racist/sexist/homophobe/whatever.
>> I got sick of it. He's gone.
>> 
>> /Haven't had to touch him for a while, actually/
>> *Wonder what's up with him...*
>> 
>> Additional information: I don't have any links for Robin; he's too
>> boring, and I haven't heard from him since he was plonked. I think
>> he's still on pnet.talk.politics, though, if you look hard enough.
>> 
>> Supreme Overlord KAZ Vorpal
>> 
>> kaz@upx.net
>> 
>> /I still don't get this guy/
>> *Neither do I.  Why'd he plonk him so fast?*
>> 
>> Guys, stay out of this one, right? You don't understand it, and it's
>> for a good reason.
>> 
>> Anyway.
>> 
>> I met Kaz back on WWIVNet, when I was first getting into debating in
>> the first place. At the time, I used the handle "Solonus", and
>> debated with all the idiots on the whole network; I was pretty well
>> known and respected. Also there, though, was Kaz, an obnoxious
>> little man who was great at annoying everyone.
>> 
>> Especially me.
>> 
>> There was plenty that led up to it. The final straw came when he
>> accused one of my friends, Leviathan, of lying. I disproved him
>> outright, and asked for a retraction; he wouldn't give it. Then it
>> was time to stop dealing with the jerk -- and so I did. By hand.
>> 
>> /What, no killfile?/
>> *There are no killfiles on WWIV, you idiot!*
>> /Oh.  Oh yeah...I knew that.../
>> 
>> When I left WWIVNet, I expected to leave the guy behind forever;
>> somehow, that gave me a nice, fuzzy feeling, to never have him
>> around to annoy me anymore. I stayed in email contact with Leviathan
>> (or Bruce Toombs, as he's much happier to be known as otherwise),
>> and happily forgot...
>> 
>> Then I saw that he was on Usenet.
>> 
>> I had a spat or two with him here. Then I plonked him. It was very,
>> *very* satisfying, let me tell you.
>> 
>> /The joy of Killfiles, eh?/
>> 
>> Additional information: not too much. He apparently frequents the
>> politics groups, and has been sighted on the recent Compuserve
>> threads, but there's not much more than that.
>> 
>> Bob Allisat
>> 
>> ab330@torfree.net
>> 
>> Allisat is a kook right out of downtown Toronto. He's suck a kook
>> that he's got a webpage all for his very own...
>> 
>> /And we both wish we could read it.../
>> *Grumble*
>> 
>> Additional information: it's in the web page. There's not too much
>> more to say -- other than that he managed to stay out of the
>> Compuserve threads *and* the Grubor/Boursy anti-nanam wars, even
>> when he was being cited. I was kindof impressed by that.
>> 
>> Rick "Woody" Sherwood
>> 
>> noodle@netcom.com
>> 
>> Woody is a Scientologist. Now, that in and of itself isn't a
>> problem; people can be whatever they want, I don't care.
>> 
>> *Sure you don't...*
>> 
>> In any case, the problem with Woody is that he works for OSA -- the
>> Scientology Secret Service of sorts. His goal: troll everyone into
>> being stupid, so we don't actually put out any substance on
>> alt.religion.scientology.
>> 
>> There's one way to make him fail: ignore him. And that's helped out
>> immensely with the help of a killfile.
>> 
>> The group is quieter without him.
>> 
>> /Not too much, though/
>> *Few hundred messages a day, a.r.s has*
>> /And Woody's quieted down lately, too/
>> *Besides, you don't read it anymore*
>> 
>> Woody goes down. Yay. -- July 13, 1995
>> Even the Daemons get to be a little clumsy now and again... *grin*
>> 
>> Additional information: Woody is apparently still there, though I'm
>> not. What a shame.
>> 
>> Joseph B. Dunphy
>> 
>> stats@mcs.com
>> 
>> Dunphy is one of the most annoying people I've ever met in my life
>> -- and that's saying a lot.
>> 
>> /Even more so than Woody?/
>> *Whoa.  He's annoyed*
>> 
>> Dunphy was cross-posting his drek to news.admin.net-abuse.misc a
>> while back. It was just a little while after I had taken up
>> complaining to people that did that, and I wasn't giving any
>> mercy...
>> 
>> /He wasn't plonking anyone, either/
>> *It was nice to not get anyone new*
>> /It's a lot of work to do this job, ya know/
>> *Especially with idiots like this one*
>> 
>> Anyway, he was the proud recipient of four of my form letters, as he
>> had posted four separate off-topic rants to the group. He proceeded
>> to accuse me of mailbombing him. Yeah. Of course, that wasn't _all_
>> he did; he also *posted* that I'd mailbombed him to all of the
>> original groups.
>> 
>> Grumble.
>> 
>> I replied, trimming followups, of course. He ignored that. And, for
>> good measure, he flamed me randomly, added more newsgroups, reposted
>> it to whole bunches of places, flamed a few other "harassers", wrote
>> extra posts, and so forth. The content was dull, but it was pretty
>> entertaining watching him separately post it all to about ten other
>> unrelated groups...
>> 
>> I, having begun to laugh uncontrollably, nominated the bastard for
>> Kook of the Month.
>> 
>> He, having seen that I was mocking him, posted a couple more
>> messages, and proceeded to mailbomb me.
>> 
>> To make a long story short, there were threats of lawsuits,
>> complaints to _my_ postmaster, threats to alias out uiuc.edu, and,
>> finally, me plonking the idiot.
>> 
>> *Actually, he plonked _two_ people*
>> /We let out Mike Dunphy for good behavior/
>> *He apparently hadn't actually done anything except share the name*
>> 
>> This whole issue, of course, was something I decided to keep logs
>> of. If you want to read 'em, try here, and enjoy.
>> 
>> * The end of the issue... -- October 17, 1995
>> After a lot of abuse, it felt damned good to do this.
>> 
>> Additional information: this wasn't the end of this debacle, nuh-uh.
>> Karl Denninger, his admin, is still upset with me -- and I with him.
>> With this simmering in the background, it wasn't tough for a large
>> thread about MCSNet's business practices to start up on
>> news.admin.net-abuse.misc, and grow almost out of control...when
>> Dunphy mailbombed someone *else* and still had no disciplinary
>> actions taken against him. The result of this is that MCSNet may get
>> aliased out of existance sometime soon. Which would be pretty cool.
>> 
>> John Grubor
>> 
>> zando@netcom.com, drg@manus.org, et al
>> 
>> John Grubor is the most annoying Usenet person I have ever met.
>> Period.
>> 
>> *Remember who he's talking about, too*
>> /This is the man who's argued with Falkner, Boursy, Allisat, Gibson, and
>> many more.../
>> 
>> His purpose in life really _does_ seem to be to annoy. And, at a
>> certain point, I grew tired of it.
>> 
>> Grubor first came to my attention on news.admin.censorship, where he
>> argued that complaining to someone's postmaster was censorship.
>> Yeah.
>> 
>> *Imagine his thoughts on throwing someone into a dungeon*
>> 
>> After a few memorable posts (the best of which was the "list of
>> known homosexuals"...)
>> 
>> /Otherwise known as 'Who's Who on news.admin.*'/
>> *There were a few others, actually*
>> /But not that many/
>> 
>> ...I finally plonked the bastard for a month.
>> 
>> That took effort on its own.
>> 
>> *He kept on trying with desperate attempts to escape*
>> /We had to keep on getting him back in here/
>> *With better security every time*
>> 
>> When he came out, though...he was worse.
>> 
>> *Believe it...*
>> /Or not/
>> 
>> After a few weeks of bugging him, making newsgroups, baiting him,
>> getting threatened, and the like, I plonked him. And, to make things
>> even more entertaining, I made the Global Killfile to keep track of
>> Grubor's aliases.
>> 
>> *Don't worry, we're not left out*
>> /It's mostly just a "Usenet's Most Wanted" list/
>> 
>> In any case, if you see him, just back away slowly...
>> 
>> * The first time... -- November 6, 1995
>> Grubor deserved to be in forever the first time, but...
>> 
>> * He's baaack... -- December 7, 1995
>> Oh, it was so much fun to torture the poor bastard...for a while...
>> 
>> * That's it. He's outta here! -- December 27, 1995
>> I was more than sick of it all; he deserved it *really* majorly.
>> 
>> Additional information: Grubor still hangs around with Steve Boursy,
>> waging a two-man war against the forces of good. More and more
>> people are learning to ignore him, though. Apparently, he's been
>> advocating lots of mailbombs lately, too; his accounts seem to be
>> dwindling. It's a nice respite...
>> 
>> The Guest Cell
>> 
>> Before, we showed the people that are in there peremanently.
>> 
>> /There are plenty more that have been in there briefly/
>> *Lot's more*
>> /We just don't remember 'em all any more/
>> *That's what this list is for -- attempted memory aids*
>> 
>> In any case, here's some people that have been plonked only briefly.
>> If they're availible, I include dates, contributing posts, reasons,
>> whatever. Unless otherwise stated, I don't remember how long they
>> were in there.
>> 
>> Anand Sarwate
>> 
>> asarwate@uni.uiuc.edu
>> 
>> Anand was being a major jerk for a while; now we're pretty much
>> friends, but at the time he got to be the first actual person in my
>> killfile.
>> 
>> *I thought that was Mark*
>> /No, he was second/
>> *Then what was Mark?*
>> /First permanent killfiled guy/
>> *Ahh...*
>> 
>> In any case, I don't have the posts, I don't even remember the dates
>> anymore, but there you have it.
>> 
>> Hannah Koenker
>> 
>> hanko@ysidro.econ.uiuc.edu
>> 
>> March 16, 1995
>> 
>> Hannah _should_ be killfiled now, really...
>> 
>> /What?  Why?  You don't even see her!/
>> *He has a lot to get over on this issue...*
>> /But we aren't meant to-/
>> *Give it up, Kile*
>> 
>> I don't even remember, anymore, what it was that set me off. It was
>> important, though. And I hated her for making me do it. She got out
>> eventually, but I don't remember when or why -- and I don't care to
>> remember.
>> 
>> Dave Hayes
>> 
>> dave@elxr.jpl.nasa.gov
>> 
>> Dave Hayes is an anti-censorship fiend...which is fine, except that
>> he's also conspiracy minded. He works for NASA, which has infinite
>> computer resources (literally), so he doesn't worry about how big
>> Usenet is for the average user. As a result, he thinks that
>> moderated groups, spam cancels, site aliasing, even closed NNTP
>> ports are censorship.
>> 
>> *Funny reading, Hayes*
>> 
>> He's got a few allies here and there, but not many; his main
>> important feature is that he can actually state his opinions
>> relatively coherently. He's a good thing to have on Usenet...
>> 
>> *Don't worry, he plonked him for a reason*
>> /Hayes tends towards philosophy stuff/
>> *And if that turns towards wars, it gets annoying*
>> 
>> At one point, I got fed up with it all. He really _did_ deserve
>> it...but he deserved to come out, too. I still occasionally talk
>> with the guy -- or at least I did, before he dropped off the face of
>> the earth.
>> 
>> /Nicer not to have him here, too/
>> *No cries of censorship to bug us...*
>> /I wonder where he went.../
>> 
>> Jenne Glish
>> 
>> jglish@macalstr.edu
>> 
>> July 2, 1995
>> 
>> Jenne...it's hard to explain how I feel about Jenne, really.
>> 
>> /No it's not/
>> *He had a crush on her for 'bout a year*
>> 
>> *sigh*
>> 
>> Actually, that's not altogether right, guys...
>> 
>> *But it's close enough*
>> /Don't deny it/
>> 
>> Folks, these two may be right, but it's not conscious. There's a lot
>> to this issue, more than I've ever been able to express, certainly
>> more than I've ever told anyone about, and pretty much too much for
>> me to actually figure out myself. I'm not going to get into it here,
>> any more than I have to.