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Article #481Re: Programming by dinosaurs [Was: Gwbasic - Help needed please]
From: Ray Murphy
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 05:46
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 05:46
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---------- In article <8pi4pn$msb$1@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au>, ianst@refer.to.sig.au.invalid (Ian Staples) wrote: >In article <mkNu5.525$%p.2653@news1.atl>, >"Judson McClendon" <judmc@bellsouth.net> wrote: > >>You're programming in the past, using outdated technology. I started >>programming in 1968 using punched cards. When CRT based programmer >>editors came out, it made a tremendous boost in productivity. I still >>loved my printed listings, and used them for a long time. [...] > >:-) > >Ah, memories... I know the feeling. > >My first "on line" data entry and programming (FORTRAN) was done >on a TTY connected to the PDP-10 at UQ, and I became quite paranoid >about keeping hard copies of every damn thing I did -- so I could >check for possible errors later was the rationale. I was quite >frustrated by the "modern" VDUs in the Vet Dept which I had to use >occasionally when the good old TTYs in Agric were booked out [those >vets could afford all the good gear it seems] -- no hard copy! >What if I had made errors!? > >Well, in fact, the hard copies lived unseen and unread in a cupboard >for over 25 years after they were "needed". > >But I must admit, I still prefer a listing if I'm studying the logic >of a program. You don't see enough at one time on a screen, and I >find it easier and more satisfying to flick back and forth between >real pages rather than scrolling up and down on a VDU. (Maybe if I >was better at remembering what I've just seen, it wouldn't be such a >problem. 8-) > >Cheers, Ian S. > >ianstDELETE@THISdpi.qld.gov.au REPLY Good story Ian. It reminded me of one of the older computer typsetters. It had a keyboard and a cable running to a 'pop-rivetted' metal box which had 8 leds on it. When typesetting a book or anything else that's all you could see - one or more leds showing red. This was just before VDU's were introduced - the ones that showed up to 3 lines of type (at once)! Actually the new-fangled computers for typesetting were not as good as the old Monophoto + Monotype typesetters - at least they had a thing that looked like a coffee tin with numbers all over it. They were particularly handy for the setting of mathematical equations - because you could 'see what you were doing' as it rotated back and forth. Another interesting thing: The journalists in Adelaide all went on strike when VDU's became compulsory as they were replacing mechanical or electric typewriters back in '81. Ray
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