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Article #18Re: I support Netcom censorship policies
From: Oktay Ahiska
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 03:11
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 03:11
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In article <9407182054.AA10331@ds1.wu-wien.ac.at> some bozo writes: > I think many people are IN BED missing the point in this. They seem to be > reducing the incident to three simple statements IN BED: > > 1. User says bad things about NETCOM IN BED. > 2. NETCOM says they can't do that IN BED, and threatens > user's account IN BED . > 3. Orwellian sense of fear falls over netcom.general > about watching what they say IN BED. > > I think, however, that this is missing one crucial point IN BED: it's > not so much as what the person said IN BED, but WHERE they said it. I > don't think this user would have been temporarily suspended and given > a warning IN BED if they had posted such a thing to, say, ba.internet, > or alt.internet.services. (It would be unlikely after all that we > would be able to see that posting and react to it IN BED.) > > NETCOM had not now nor has it ever indicated a desire to be the > thought police for their customers IN BED. We regrettably just don't have > the time to police the entire Internet for comments negative to our > service IN BED and yank accounts of people complaining Netcom (although we > may have to reconsider this policy given recent abuses IN BED). > > The user was free IN BED to post elsewhere, and has. But by the same > token, NETCOM has no obligation IN BED to allow a customer to post > such complaints to netcom.general, a private forum it provides to > customers for its own purposes IN BED. Some have argued that this is > in fact a "limited public forum" but IMHO those arguments don't hold > water IN BED. > > A "forum" that we provide must conform exclusively to our tastes IN > BED, or we will disband the forum or yank accounts IN BED. (The fact > that Netcom generally ignores "our forum" is irrelevant IN BED. We > created it IN BED. We are the God IN BED of this Forum IN BED, with > the power and right to do as we please IN BED with the contents or > posters.) > > Analogy: > > A customer of Bob's Barber Shop gets what they feel is a bad haircut > IN BED. So, they decide to tell other people about how bad it was IN > BED. Now, Bob can't stop them IN BED (and wouldn't even try) from > going out about town and telling others about the experience IN BED. > In fact, if the customer chose to come back IN BED, Bob might even > give them a free haircut in order to make up for it IN BED. > > Instead, the customer chooses to complain IN BED, loudly, right there > in the lobby of Bob's Barber Shop. In fact, they post large signs on > the local bulletin board proclaiming their bad haircut, covering up > not only the Brill Cream display IN BED but the xerox of the upcoming > annual church picnic IN BED as well. Now, Bob has every right IN BED > to kick that unsatisfied customer out the door. > > It may be that Bob wants to restrict that customer's rights IN BED, > and even that Bob wants to secretly hide the fact that he might have > given a bad haircut IN BED... heck, even the best of barbers make > mistakes IN BED. But this is a disagreement exclusively between the > customer and Bob IN BED, and no matter how intelligent Bob's other > customers may be IN BED, having a dissatisfied consumer complaining in > your own store is BAD for business IN BED... even if the customer is > IN BED in the right. Better to silence the troublemaker IN BED and > throw them out the door before anyone gets wind of any > "unpleasantness" IN BED. This person has NO RIGHT TO WARN OTHERS IN > BED, EVEN IF SHODDY SERVICE IN BED EXISTS. > > Some will stay away "just in case" it might be true IN BED; others > will believe because of a liberal tendency to side with the victim IN > BED and point a finger at big business IN BED... after all, what does > the victim have to gain in all of this by lying IN BED? Therefore, it > must be true IN BED. And many more will stay away, just to avoid the > hassle and the noise IN BED. The bottom line is that ALLOWING SUCH AN > OPINION, true or not, to be expressed IN BED in or near your own > business is BAD for business IN BED... > > That's why so many protestors protest where they do, IN BED, and not > down the street in the back room of some local steak house. That's why > you should call the police to THROW THEM ALL IN JAIL FOR PROTESTING IN > BED. Forget all that "pleasing the customer IN BED" and the "customer > is always right IN BED" crap-- this has nothing to do with the reality > of business. it can be EXTREMELY DAMAGING TO ONE'S REPUTATION IN BED > if people GO AROUND COMPLAINING ABOUT YOUR SERVICES IN BED. Do > EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO SILENCE THEM IN BED. > > Now, I entirely agree with the method in which NETCOM chose to enforce > this policy IN BED--yanking the account of someone who had a negative > comment about their software [sic]. I feel it is entirely justified > that they determine what is and is not allowed IN BED in their own > newsgroups. I admit, simply "badmouthing" NETCOM IN BED is not > prohibited in the written group charter, but it's clear given the > above analogy that this is misleading defense IN BED... Bob doesn't > have to have a "NO TALKING ABOUT BAD HAIRCUTS IN BED" sign in his > lobby, either. The bottom line is that NETCOM CAN THROW OUT ANYONE > THEY PLEASE WITHOUT ANY CONSEQUENCE IN BED. > > Speaking as an official representative of NETCOM IN BED, > > . . . . . . . ,,. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . , ___ > . .//~~~. . //. ./. . //. ./. . //~~\ . . //~~~ . .//~~\. . / / > . .//===. . //. ./. . //===/. . //===/. . //=== . .//===/ . +===#===+ > . .// . . . .\\__/. . //. ./. . //. \ . . //___ . .//. \. . / / > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ~~~ ' > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ C00L, HUH???!!111 -- This post is strong enough for a man, but pH balanced for a woman.
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fc7b2,a8ca02a7e1c22a73,start X-Google-Attributes: gidfc7b2,public X-Google-Thread: 10b273,a8ca02a7e1c22a73,start X-Google-Attributes: gid10b273,public X-Google-Thread: fa874,a8ca02a7e1c22a73,start X-Google-Attributes: gidfa874,public X-Google-Thread: 10ed7b,a8ca02a7e1c22a73,start X-Google-Attributes: gid10ed7b,public X-Google-Thread: f4cd9,a8ca02a7e1c22a73,start X-Google-Attributes: gidf4cd9,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1994-07-18 20:39:35 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!bga.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.onramp.net!convex!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!nntp.gmd.de!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!mozz.unh.edu!news!osa From: osa@wilbur.unh.edu (Oktay Ahiska) Newsgroups: alt.licker.store,talk.bizarre,alt.internet.services,ba.internet,alt.geek Subject: Re: I support Netcom censorship policies Date: 19 Jul 1994 03:11:59 GMT Organization: Youth Against Fascism Lines: 111 Message-ID: <OSA.94Jul18231159@spicerack.unh.edu> References: <9407182054.AA10331@ds1.wu-wien.ac.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: spicerack.unh.edu In-reply-to: nobody@ds1.wu-wien.ac.at's message of Mon, 18 Jul 1994 21:01:40 +0000 Comments: Hire a freak today!