🚀 go-pugleaf

Check out http://www.lsl.com.au in Melbourne. They have 2.3 available. I
also had a card like yours. I took my machine back to the suppliers and
changed it for a Matrox Productiva G100. It works beautifully with
RH6.0.

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:01:56 -0400, DHobbs <dhobbs@psrw.com> wrote:
>"Glenn T. Jayaputera" wrote:
>> 
>> On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:23:42 +1000, Ranga <ranga@powerup.com.au> wrote:
>> >Is there anywhere where I can download Open Linux 2.3 to burn on CD, or is
>> >this asking too much?  I have 2.2, but it does not want to install with my
>> >SiS 6326 AGP video card (it hangs with a grey screen at the start of the
>> >LIZARD)  I'm only a newbie and believe this will be much easier than
>> >downloading and installing patches etc.  (already tried to install Xfree86
>> >3.3.5 with no success!).  I would fork out the bucks for it, but here in
>> >Brisbane, Australia I can't find it anywhere (anyone know who stocks it -
>> >plenty have 2.2 :( ).
>> 
>> I believe there are some who have download version of 2.3
>> The problem is the license imposed by Caldera says that you
>> cannot redistribute/reproduce/resell 4 components of the
>> distributions (one of them is Lizard) without written
>> permission from them.
>> 
>> Now, without Lizard, how the heck one would be able to
>> install Open Linux?  Also according to the license then,
>> you can download it but you cannot even lend it to your
>> friend because it is classified as "redistributing".
>> 
>> In the official box, the license section of the manual
>> it also says that you can only install Open Linux on a
>> single computer.  Means, you have 10 computers then
>> you have to buy 10 copies.
>> 
>> This is the only Linux distribution that I know that
>> has this kinda style of licensing.  I also heard that
>> Caldera throw a lawsuit against a company in The States
>> because they selling the GPL version.
>
>This is the license agreement for 2.2.  I see they did not post the
>license agreement for 2.3 at all (yet)  I really hope they changed their
>mind and became part of the open source GPL groups and are not trying to
>become the MS of Linux.

I have checked the license agreement for 2.3 and sadly to say
it is the same.  Pay attention to section 4, 5 and 6, especially
6(iii).

>I guess I'll have to stop suggesting Caldera.  One of the guys in the
>office just asked which distro and I did suggest Caldera.  I'll have to
>show him this and let him make up his mind.

Yeah, I agree.  My bitter feeling about all of this is it is
unfair.  almost all of the components there are under GPL,
ie free, and just because of 4 of their components people
cannot share the whole thing.  I guess, I would not care a bit
if they developed the whole lot, but knowing 98% of the stuffs
are GPL I felt this is unfair.

Glenn

Hi
	You don't need 2.3 to get your videocard working.  Just download and
install either the latest version of Xfree86 or the SuSE SiS X server
from the SuSE website.

-L

Ranga wrote:
> 
> Is there anywhere where I can download Open Linux 2.3 to burn on CD, or is
> this asking too much?  I have 2.2, but it does not want to install with my
> SiS 6326 AGP video card (it hangs with a grey screen at the start of the
> LIZARD)  I'm only a newbie and believe this will be much easier than
> downloading and installing patches etc.  (already tried to install Xfree86
> 3.3.5 with no success!).  I would fork out the bucks for it, but here in
> Brisbane, Australia I can't find it anywhere (anyone know who stocks it -
> plenty have 2.2 :( ).
> 
> Regards, Ranga

"Glenn T. Jayaputera" wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:23:42 +1000, Ranga <ranga@powerup.com.au> wrote:
> >Is there anywhere where I can download Open Linux 2.3 to burn on CD, or is
> >this asking too much?  I have 2.2, but it does not want to install with my
> >SiS 6326 AGP video card (it hangs with a grey screen at the start of the
> >LIZARD)  I'm only a newbie and believe this will be much easier than
> >downloading and installing patches etc.  (already tried to install Xfree86
> >3.3.5 with no success!).  I would fork out the bucks for it, but here in
> >Brisbane, Australia I can't find it anywhere (anyone know who stocks it -
> >plenty have 2.2 :( ).
> 
> I believe there are some who have download version of 2.3
> The problem is the license imposed by Caldera says that you
> cannot redistribute/reproduce/resell 4 components of the
> distributions (one of them is Lizard) without written
> permission from them.
> 
> Now, without Lizard, how the heck one would be able to
> install Open Linux?  Also according to the license then,
> you can download it but you cannot even lend it to your
> friend because it is classified as "redistributing".
> 
> In the official box, the license section of the manual
> it also says that you can only install Open Linux on a
> single computer.  Means, you have 10 computers then
> you have to buy 10 copies.
> 
> This is the only Linux distribution that I know that
> has this kinda style of licensing.  I also heard that
> Caldera throw a lawsuit against a company in The States
> because they selling the GPL version.

It is like this for SUSE to(with their yast tool).  Really out of the
big boys only redhat and debian(and clones of those there of) are GNU
distributable.  All the tools these two release are GNU.  Apparently
mandrake is following in the footsteps of its predessor.

Joe

"Glenn T. Jayaputera" wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:23:42 +1000, Ranga <ranga@powerup.com.au> wrote:
> >Is there anywhere where I can download Open Linux 2.3 to burn on CD, or is
> >this asking too much?  I have 2.2, but it does not want to install with my
> >SiS 6326 AGP video card (it hangs with a grey screen at the start of the
> >LIZARD)  I'm only a newbie and believe this will be much easier than
> >downloading and installing patches etc.  (already tried to install Xfree86
> >3.3.5 with no success!).  I would fork out the bucks for it, but here in
> >Brisbane, Australia I can't find it anywhere (anyone know who stocks it -
> >plenty have 2.2 :( ).
> 
> I believe there are some who have download version of 2.3
> The problem is the license imposed by Caldera says that you
> cannot redistribute/reproduce/resell 4 components of the
> distributions (one of them is Lizard) without written
> permission from them.
> 
> Now, without Lizard, how the heck one would be able to
> install Open Linux?

LISA.  100% freely distributable and comes as part of COL. That's the
method i used, and it worked great.

>  Also according to the license then,
> you can download it but you cannot even lend it to your
> friend because it is classified as "redistributing".
> 
> In the official box, the license section of the manual
> it also says that you can only install Open Linux on a
> single computer.  Means, you have 10 computers then
> you have to buy 10 copies.

That's cause there's commercial software included, namely Partition
Magic. 

-L

I recomend you try the MANDRAKE 6.0 distrobution.
I have the same sis6326 card and it worked perfectly first time with this
version.

Cheers

Lloyd

Ranga <ranga@powerup.com.au> wrote in message news:37e9fc62@grissom...
> Is there anywhere where I can download Open Linux 2.3 to burn on CD, or is
> this asking too much?  I have 2.2, but it does not want to install with my
> SiS 6326 AGP video card (it hangs with a grey screen at the start of the
> LIZARD)  I'm only a newbie and believe this will be much easier than
> downloading and installing patches etc.  (already tried to install Xfree86
> 3.3.5 with no success!).  I would fork out the bucks for it, but here in
> Brisbane, Australia I can't find it anywhere (anyone know who stocks it -
> plenty have 2.2 :( ).
>
> Regards, Ranga
>
>

Glenn T. Jayaputera <gtj@tesla.net.au> wrote in message
news:slrn7uk153.lm9.gtj@budgie.tesla.net.au...
> I believe there are some who have download version of 2.3
> The problem is the license imposed by Caldera says that you
> cannot redistribute/reproduce/resell 4 components of the
> distributions (one of them is Lizard) without written
> permission from them.

There is a very easy solution to this. Run Debian. You can't really blame
Caldera, they are trying to make money and stay in business.  I would rather
give my money to Caldera than Microsoft.  I find all this bickering about
prices really silly because everybody can run Debian (or RedHat) for
virtually free (the price of cutting a CD).  I think people that pay money
in the store for Linux distributions are naive; the support the companies
claim to give is virtually non-existent and better manuals can be had at the
bookstore. Why bother?

Is there a way to download Linux and install it off of floppy disks, if you have
a fast Internet connection but no capability for burning a CD?

Larry


Scott Simpson wrote in message <7sdp63$b1h$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
>Glenn T. Jayaputera <gtj@tesla.net.au> wrote in message
>news:slrn7uk153.lm9.gtj@budgie.tesla.net.au...
>> I believe there are some who have download version of 2.3
>> The problem is the license imposed by Caldera says that you
>> cannot redistribute/reproduce/resell 4 components of the
>> distributions (one of them is Lizard) without written
>> permission from them.
>
>There is a very easy solution to this. Run Debian. You can't really blame
>Caldera, they are trying to make money and stay in business.  I would rather
>give my money to Caldera than Microsoft.  I find all this bickering about
>prices really silly because everybody can run Debian (or RedHat) for
>virtually free (the price of cutting a CD).  I think people that pay money
>in the store for Linux distributions are naive; the support the companies
>claim to give is virtually non-existent and better manuals can be had at the
>bookstore. Why bother?
>
>
>
>

Larry Wagner wrote:
> 
> Is there a way to download Linux and install it off of floppy disks, if you have
> a fast Internet connection but no capability for burning a CD?

If you've got one of those, do a web install.

Dan
-- 
UNIX - Not just for vestal virgins anymore
Linux - Choice of a GNU generation

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:26:18 -0400, Me <jlrice@columbus.crosswinds.net> wrote:
>"Glenn T. Jayaputera" wrote:
>> 
>> On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:23:42 +1000, Ranga <ranga@powerup.com.au> wrote:
>> >Is there anywhere where I can download Open Linux 2.3 to burn on CD, or is
>> >this asking too much?  I have 2.2, but it does not want to install with my
>> >SiS 6326 AGP video card (it hangs with a grey screen at the start of the
>> >LIZARD)  I'm only a newbie and believe this will be much easier than
>> >downloading and installing patches etc.  (already tried to install Xfree86
>> >3.3.5 with no success!).  I would fork out the bucks for it, but here in
>> >Brisbane, Australia I can't find it anywhere (anyone know who stocks it -
>> >plenty have 2.2 :( ).
>> 
>> I believe there are some who have download version of 2.3
>> The problem is the license imposed by Caldera says that you
>> cannot redistribute/reproduce/resell 4 components of the
>> distributions (one of them is Lizard) without written
>> permission from them.
>> 
>> Now, without Lizard, how the heck one would be able to
>> install Open Linux?  Also according to the license then,
>> you can download it but you cannot even lend it to your
>> friend because it is classified as "redistributing".
>> 
>> In the official box, the license section of the manual
>> it also says that you can only install Open Linux on a
>> single computer.  Means, you have 10 computers then
>> you have to buy 10 copies.
>> 
>> This is the only Linux distribution that I know that
>> has this kinda style of licensing.  I also heard that
>> Caldera throw a lawsuit against a company in The States
>> because they selling the GPL version.
>
>It is like this for SUSE to(with their yast tool).  Really out of the
>big boys only redhat and debian(and clones of those there of) are GNU
>distributable.  All the tools these two release are GNU.  Apparently
>mandrake is following in the footsteps of its predessor.

Well, SuSE is another story.  I dont know if they have done the same
thing with their YaST or not but they have copyrighted the word
SuSE and the chameleon picture.  I do believe you can install it
a number of systems if you like.  But you cannot sell their GPL
product and name it something like SuSE GPL.  Cannot use the
word "SuSE" unless you have a written permission from them

Glenn

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:37:27 -0400, L. Friedman <beemer@earthling.net> wrote:
>
>
>"Glenn T. Jayaputera" wrote:
>> 
>> On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:23:42 +1000, Ranga <ranga@powerup.com.au> wrote:
>> >Is there anywhere where I can download Open Linux 2.3 to burn on CD, or is
>> >this asking too much?  I have 2.2, but it does not want to install with my
>> >SiS 6326 AGP video card (it hangs with a grey screen at the start of the
>> >LIZARD)  I'm only a newbie and believe this will be much easier than
>> >downloading and installing patches etc.  (already tried to install Xfree86
>> >3.3.5 with no success!).  I would fork out the bucks for it, but here in
>> >Brisbane, Australia I can't find it anywhere (anyone know who stocks it -
>> >plenty have 2.2 :( ).
>> 
>> I believe there are some who have download version of 2.3
>> The problem is the license imposed by Caldera says that you
>> cannot redistribute/reproduce/resell 4 components of the
>> distributions (one of them is Lizard) without written
>> permission from them.
>> 
>> Now, without Lizard, how the heck one would be able to
>> install Open Linux?
>
>LISA.  100% freely distributable and comes as part of COL. That's the
>method i used, and it worked great.

Okay, cool!  I did not know that.

>
>>  Also according to the license then,
>> you can download it but you cannot even lend it to your
>> friend because it is classified as "redistributing".
>> 
>> In the official box, the license section of the manual
>> it also says that you can only install Open Linux on a
>> single computer.  Means, you have 10 computers then
>> you have to buy 10 copies.
>
>That's cause there's commercial software included, namely Partition
>Magic. 

No this is not true, the other commercial packages, were not get
included in their "public" version, ie. the version they put
on the FTP site.  Furthermore, the license we are talking about
is the 4 components of theirs.  In the license it says, the
"third party software", ie the other commercial packages, has their
own license, we have to read the license that is available on the
CD.

Glenn

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:23:42 +1000, Ranga <ranga@powerup.com.au> wrote:
>Is there anywhere where I can download Open Linux 2.3 to burn on CD, or is
>this asking too much?  I have 2.2, but it does not want to install with my
>SiS 6326 AGP video card (it hangs with a grey screen at the start of the
>LIZARD)  I'm only a newbie and believe this will be much easier than
>downloading and installing patches etc.  (already tried to install Xfree86
>3.3.5 with no success!).  I would fork out the bucks for it, but here in
>Brisbane, Australia I can't find it anywhere (anyone know who stocks it -
>plenty have 2.2 :( ).

I believe there are some who have download version of 2.3
The problem is the license imposed by Caldera says that you
cannot redistribute/reproduce/resell 4 components of the 
distributions (one of them is Lizard) without written
permission from them.

Now, without Lizard, how the heck one would be able to
install Open Linux?  Also according to the license then,
you can download it but you cannot even lend it to your
friend because it is classified as "redistributing".

In the official box, the license section of the manual
it also says that you can only install Open Linux on a
single computer.  Means, you have 10 computers then
you have to buy 10 copies.

This is the only Linux distribution that I know that
has this kinda style of licensing.  I also heard that
Caldera throw a lawsuit against a company in The States
because they selling the GPL version.

Ranga wrote:
> 
> Is there anywhere where I can download Open Linux 2.3 to burn on CD, or is
> this asking too much?  

http://www.calderasystems.com/download/

Dan

"Glenn T. Jayaputera" wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:23:42 +1000, Ranga <ranga@powerup.com.au> wrote:
> >Is there anywhere where I can download Open Linux 2.3 to burn on CD, or is
> >this asking too much?  I have 2.2, but it does not want to install with my
> >SiS 6326 AGP video card (it hangs with a grey screen at the start of the
> >LIZARD)  I'm only a newbie and believe this will be much easier than
> >downloading and installing patches etc.  (already tried to install Xfree86
> >3.3.5 with no success!).  I would fork out the bucks for it, but here in
> >Brisbane, Australia I can't find it anywhere (anyone know who stocks it -
> >plenty have 2.2 :( ).
> 
> I believe there are some who have download version of 2.3
> The problem is the license imposed by Caldera says that you
> cannot redistribute/reproduce/resell 4 components of the
> distributions (one of them is Lizard) without written
> permission from them.
> 
> Now, without Lizard, how the heck one would be able to
> install Open Linux?  Also according to the license then,
> you can download it but you cannot even lend it to your
> friend because it is classified as "redistributing".
> 
> In the official box, the license section of the manual
> it also says that you can only install Open Linux on a
> single computer.  Means, you have 10 computers then
> you have to buy 10 copies.
> 
> This is the only Linux distribution that I know that
> has this kinda style of licensing.  I also heard that
> Caldera throw a lawsuit against a company in The States
> because they selling the GPL version.

This is the license agreement for 2.2.  I see they did not post the
license agreement for 2.3 at all (yet)  I really hope they changed their
mind and became part of the open source GPL groups and are not trying to
become the MS of Linux.

I guess I'll have to stop suggesting Caldera.  One of the guys in the
office just asked which distro and I did suggest Caldera.  I'll have to
show him this and let him make up his mind.

http://www.calderasystems.com/doc/openlinux/eula.html#915138

(a) "Caldera Systems Software" consists of the following computer
programs: 

 1. Lizard Install System 
 2. Netware Linux Client 
 3. OpenLinux Windows Setup and Preparation Tools 
 4. Lisa Admistration System 
Caldera Systems (or its licensor, if applicable) owns the copyrights and
intellectual
property in and to each item of Caldera Systems Software. Caldera
Systems
Software is licensed by Caldera Systems to Licensee through the License
of Section
4 below. Licensee is not entitled to any Caldera Systems Software source
code
unless, and only to the extent that, such source code is included by
Caldera
Systems in the OpenLinux Product (in which case such source code is
included in
the Caldera Systems Software licensed by Caldera Systems under the
License of
Section 4 below. 

<snip>

4. License of Caldera Systems Software. 
Subject to the other provisions of this Agreement, Caldera Systems
grants to
Licensee a nonexclusive, nontransferable license to use the Caldera
Systems
Software on a single computer (the "License"). Use of the Caldera
Systems Software
on additional computers requires the purchase of additional licenses
from Caldera
Systems at Caldera Systems's then-current prices. Rights to Caldera
Systems
Software not expressly granted to Licensee in this Agreement are
reserved by
Caldera Systems. 

5. Copies of Caldera Systems Software. 
Licensee may make copies of Caldera Systems Software provided that any
such
copy: (a) is created as an essential step in the utilization of the
Caldera Systems
Software on a computer in accordance with the License and this
Agreement, or (b)
is only for archival purposes to back-up the licensed use of the Caldera
Systems
Software. Licensee may also make copies of the Caldera Systems Software
to the
extent reasonably needed to exercise rights under the License or this
Agreement.
All Caldera Systems trademark and copyright notices must be faithfully
reproduced and included on copies made by Licensee. Licensee may not
make any
other copies of the Caldera Systems Software. 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

I do not speak for anyone but myself.
Dan

Mines on-board :( with a Voodoo 2 attached

Thanks anyway
Ranga

Laurence Griffiths <ljggriffiths@smartchat.net.au> wrote in message
news:37EA18EE.347CFC72@smartchat.net.au...
> Check out http://www.lsl.com.au in Melbourne. They have 2.3 available. I
> also had a card like yours. I took my machine back to the suppliers and
> changed it for a Matrox Productiva G100. It works beautifully with
> RH6.0.
>

Try the Caldera site at I think it was

ftp://ftp.calderasystems.com

You can find the images by snooping around there

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:23:42 +1000, "Ranga" <ranga@powerup.com.au>
wrote:

>Is there anywhere where I can download Open Linux 2.3 to burn on CD, or is
>this asking too much?  I have 2.2, but it does not want to install with my
>SiS 6326 AGP video card (it hangs with a grey screen at the start of the
>LIZARD)  I'm only a newbie and believe this will be much easier than
>downloading and installing patches etc.  (already tried to install Xfree86
>3.3.5 with no success!).  I would fork out the bucks for it, but here in
>Brisbane, Australia I can't find it anywhere (anyone know who stocks it -
>plenty have 2.2 :( ).
>
>Regards, Ranga
>

> There is a very easy solution to this. Run Debian. You can't really blame
> Caldera, they are trying to make money and stay in business.  I would
rather
> give my money to Caldera than Microsoft.  I find all this bickering about
> prices really silly because everybody can run Debian (or RedHat) for
> virtually free (the price of cutting a CD).  I think people that pay money
> in the store for Linux distributions are naive; the support the companies
> claim to give is virtually non-existent and better manuals can be had at
the
> bookstore. Why bother?

I run COL 2.3 for free.  I just paid a buck in USD for the blank to burn it
on and I think I overpaid.  =P~~~~~~