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In <32441060.4317070@news2.new-york.net>, tech@actcom.co.il (Jumping Jack Flash) writes:
>
>
>Hi to all readers,
>
>I am seeking for advice whether or not to dive into OS/2 (again).
>I once was an OS/2 user, but I was so disappointed from the lousy
>IBM 
>support, that I left that system.  (we are talking about 4-6 years
>ago - os/2 
>v2.0).

  IMHO, IBM and Team OS/2 have supported OS/2 much better  in the recent
years.  I would gauge it to be supported about the same as linux.

>I know that OS/2 is superior to WIN95 but I am currently diving
>into Linux, 
>multiple operating systems and local TCP/IP connectivity.  Is it
>worth it to 
>try OS/2 again?  (compare to Linux).  Is there any REAL advantage ?

  As far as base operating systems, OS/2 and linux have about the same 'power'.
They both take pretty much full advantage of a system.  Yes, Win95 is still
lacking in that regard, but their userbase has different needs.  The TCP stacks
of both systems appear to be about the same on my system.

  The motivation for choosing an operating system should be based (IMHO) on
capability, support, stability, development support, and application support.
There are various reasons for running multiple operating systems.

  If you wish to get back into the PC realm and was power, OS/2 is a good
choice.  The only trade off is OS/2 apps for Win95/NT apps; Windows 3.11
is still available on both.

>Thanks for any opinion.
>
>
>Jack

In <32441060.4317070@news2.new-york.net>, tech@actcom.co.il (Jumping Jack Flash) writes:
>
>
>Hi to all readers,
>
>I am seeking for advice whether or not to dive into OS/2 (again).
>I once was an OS/2 user, but I was so disappointed from the lousy
>IBM 
>support, that I left that system.  (we are talking about 4-6 years
>ago - os/2 
>v2.0).
>
>I know that OS/2 is superior to WIN95 but I am currently diving
>into Linux, multiple operating systems and local TCP/IP connectivity.  Is it
>worth it to try OS/2 again?  (compare to Linux).  Is there any REAL advantage ?
>
>Thanks for any opinion.
>
>
>Jack


Hi Jack,

the tcpip connectivity of warp connect brings all you need, and there are lots of
replacements as freeware for things like ftpserver daemons and others. I think
warp 4 won't be worse.

The advantage of os/2 is the WPS, what is really object-oriented. This gives the
opportunity to build things like voice recognition into the system. I like working
with the WPS very much, but you have to get used to it. I prefer it compared to
a x-window system. (There is freeware x-window support with xfree86 in beta
testing currently available)

Another advantage is: There are more applications for os/2 than for Linux. Take a 
look at www.austin.ibm.com/pspinfo/os2sw.html

The support question: Until now I got the support I needed; you can get a lot of help
in the newsgroups, too. OS/2 users seem to like to help others if they can.

Hope this helps,

Michael

In <32441060.4317070@news2.new-york.net>, tech@actcom.co.il (Jumping Jack Flash) writes:
>
>
>Hi to all readers,
>
>I am seeking for advice whether or not to dive into OS/2 (again).
>I once was an OS/2 user, but I was so disappointed from the lousy
>IBM 
>support, that I left that system.  (we are talking about 4-6 years
>ago - os/2 
>v2.0).
>
>I know that OS/2 is superior to WIN95 but I am currently diving
>into Linux, 
>multiple operating systems and local TCP/IP connectivity.  Is it
>worth it to 
>try OS/2 again?  (compare to Linux).  Is there any REAL advantage ?
>
>Thanks for any opinion.
>
>
>Jack

I see others have already responded, but I'll throw in my $0.02 as well.
I used to have Linux and Warp on the same machine, and I booted both about as 
often.  Linux, being essentially command-line, required me to understand the 
inner workings of the OS more than the GUI of OS/2 (good thing.)  On the other 
hand, OS/2's object oriented GUI was very consistent and easy to learn.  The only 
question was:  Which one to use?  OS/2 supported the Windows productivity 
apps that I use, while Linux supported the technical apps (Gnuplot, TeX) that I 
needed for school.  Then I found a TeX distribution for OS/2 to go along with 
the technical apps that I had already found.  So I wiped Linux (space) and have 
been running OS/2 since.  

If you are considering moving to (or adding) OS/2, I'd say go for it.  The support is 
there, as well as the software.

Luck,

Jim Lang
Student    (ALWAYS!)
Mathematician   (SOON!)
Team-OS/2
#include standard_disclaimer.h

In <32441060.4317070@news2.new-york.net>, tech@actcom.co.il (Jumping Jack Flash) writes:
>
>
>Hi to all readers,
>
>I am seeking for advice whether or not to dive into OS/2 (again).
>I once was an OS/2 user, but I was so disappointed from the lousy
>IBM 
>support, that I left that system.  (we are talking about 4-6 years
>ago - os/2 
>v2.0).
>
>I know that OS/2 is superior to WIN95 but I am currently diving
>into Linux, 
>multiple operating systems and local TCP/IP connectivity.  Is it
>worth it to 
>try OS/2 again?  (compare to Linux).  Is there any REAL advantage ?
>
>Thanks for any opinion.
>
>
>Jack
First of all, let me say that this is coming from a VERY biased opinion. Now, 
disclaimer aside:


I think the best way you can some up the argument for OS/2 is not "Where do
you want to go today?", but "What do you want to do?" If you want to play games
and do cookbook recepies, then W95 is the way to go (although my wife is using
Merlin at home just for that and loves it. She formally used Windows 3.1,
but when Merlin came she converted. I wouldn't let her load W95 on the home
machine due to the fact that at home I am tech support.) If you want to get work
done, then OS/2 is the only way to go.

In my opinion (which won't buy you a cup of coffea), OS/2 is far superior for
the work environment for two simple reasons; multithreading and the WPS
(Work Place Shell). The WPS gives you the ability to create objects 
for everything. These aren't representations either, this is true object orientation.
This enables drag n drop printing, faxing, embedding, ect. The other advantage
of the WPS is the configurability. What I love about OS/2 is I have never seen
two people use the WPS exactly the same. It conforms to the way YOU work, 
not the other way around. The two previously stated benefits alone makes any
OS/2 user far more productive than any other counterpart. Now I can go on with
web intergration (OS/2 WPS is already integrated with the web), SOM, WPS 
object association; ect, but we would be adding injury to the already insulted
W95 or NT user.

Multithreading is never discussed, but it is the fundemental reason OS/2 kicks
NT in the pants in performance (particularly the Pentium PRO). Our Web master
runs NT because that's what he does at his day job (we contract out our web work).
He has NT4.0 and we've run it head to head on machines. NT hangs in there 
with OS/2 until about the third app, and then NT starts dropping off big time.
By the fith app, its toast while OS/2 is buzzing right along. Please notice that
we are running all native OS/2 apps while NT was running its own native apps.
The superior multithreading of the OS/2 apps allows the OS/2 user to open
many apps or OS2 Sessions of the same program and leave them open. The app
is not going to sit there and hog CUP time (I myself run a 486 DX 120 with 32 Mgs
of RAM, and at the bottom of the page is a copy of my Window List as I type
this and I have NO system performance hit and my CPU usage is below 5%) 

As you can see, if you want to use a lot of TCP/IP activity run concurrently
with apps, OS/2 is the only way to go.

Art Powell
Simply Intelligent Inc.
"Your OS/2 PC Company"
1-800-OS/2-BETT'er'
http://www.fc.net/sios2/
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Jim Lang wrote:
> 
> In <32441060.4317070@news2.new-york.net>, tech@actcom.co.il (Jumping Jack Flash) writes:
> >
> >
> >Hi to all readers,
> >
> >I am seeking for advice whether or not to dive into OS/2 (again).
> >I once was an OS/2 user, but I was so disappointed from the lousy
> >IBM
> >support, that I left that system.  (we are talking about 4-6 years
> >ago - os/2
> >v2.0).
> >
> >I know that OS/2 is superior to WIN95 but I am currently diving
> >into Linux,
> >multiple operating systems and local TCP/IP connectivity.  Is it
> >worth it to
> >try OS/2 again?  (compare to Linux).  Is there any REAL advantage ?
> >
> >Thanks for any opinion.
> >
> >
> >Jack
> 
> I see others have already responded, but I'll throw in my $0.02 as well.
> I used to have Linux and Warp on the same machine, and I booted both about as
> often.  Linux, being essentially command-line, required me to understand the
> inner workings of the OS more than the GUI of OS/2 (good thing.)  On the other
> hand, OS/2's object oriented GUI was very consistent and easy to learn.  The only
> question was:  Which one to use?  OS/2 supported the Windows productivity
> apps that I use, while Linux supported the technical apps (Gnuplot, TeX) that I
> needed for school.  Then I found a TeX distribution for OS/2 to go along with
> the technical apps that I had already found.  So I wiped Linux (space) and have
> been running OS/2 since.
> 
> If you are considering moving to (or adding) OS/2, I'd say go for it.  The support is
> there, as well as the software.
> 
> Luck,
> 
> Jim Lang
> Student    (ALWAYS!)
> Mathematician   (SOON!)
> Team-OS/2
> #include standard_disclaimer.h

Unfortunately, though if you think IBM support for OS/2 stank (stunk?)
back then, you're going to like it even less today.  

You can't even report a problem without a credit card number or a
support contract, and the quality of most of the Level 1 and 2 support
staff leaves much to be desired.  On the positive side, however, most of
the time the software I use at home works fine.  The problems tend to
show themselves in complex connectivity situations with a wide mix of
different software.

-- 
Vern Dias

Through the magic of Merlin (AKA WARP 4)
and Netscape Navigator

In message <32441060.4317070@news2.new-york.net> - tech@actcom.co.il (Jumping
Jack Flash)Sat, 21 Sep 1996 15:59:48 GMT writes:
>:
>:
>:
>:Hi to all readers,
>: . . .  Is it
>:worth it to try OS/2 again?  (compare to Linux).  Is there any REAL advantage ?
>:
>: . . .
>:Jack
There are good reasons to use both systems. OS/2 Warp is a good OS, with less
equipment overhead than NT and far more stability than Win95. It has some good
native applications now, such as ColorWorks 2.0 and DeScribe 5.0 as well as
excellent networking (Warp Connect) and Internet connectivity. 

Linux is a Unix clone. It is free, fast, very efficient with hardware demands
and has immensely better security than OS/2. There are some apps available for
Linux that don't appear for OS/2 such as Stata (a statistical analysis system)
and a native Netscape (I know about the official OS/2 Beta, but so far I get
an exception when I try running it). There are also shareware GIS
appilications for Linux and very powerful image analysis systems to be found
(do a websearch on Linux and science and see what you come up with).  

I run both (or rather did, and will again) Good luck


John W. Dougherty	|You honor, Vacerra, the ancients alone,
			|And never praise poets unless dead and gone,
			|Your pardon I beg, if ungracious I seem
			|But it is not worth dying to gain your esteem.
			|		- Martial -

In <3245D56D.3280@ibm.net>, Vern Dias <tvdias@ibm.net> writes:
>You can't even report a problem without a credit card number or a
>support contract, 

Emphatically not true. Electronic support is free. Phone support is free
for 60 days (or something like that) starting with your first call (NOT
starting with purchase so it's not a bad idea to save that for when you
need it.) After that, yes, IBM's gone the service contract route for phones
-- but so has Microsoft, and so have many other publishers; that's part of
how everyone's keeping the purchase price down. Real-time phone support
is an expensive service to offer!

I can't vouch for the quality of electronic support on Compuserve, or
via the Internet (I don't have sufficient time for the OS/2 newsgroups),
but the support team on Prodigy has done a fairly decent job. 

OS/2 itself has also improved over the years. These days I'm seeing many
fewer gripes about installation problems, and those were always the most
significant part of the traffic -- generally, once OS/2 is installed it runs
VERY reliably. Which is why businesses rely on it. 

 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 
Joseph J. Kesselman             http://pages.prodigy.com/keshlam/
"This note is a production of Novalabs Consulting, which is solely       
responsible for its content. Opinions not necessarily those of IBM."

Jim Lang (jimlang@ibm.net) wrote:
: In <32441060.4317070@news2.new-york.net>, tech@actcom.co.il (Jumping Jack Flash) writes:
: >
: >
: >Hi to all readers,
: >
: >I am seeking for advice whether or not to dive into OS/2 (again).
: >I once was an OS/2 user, but I was so disappointed from the lousy
: >IBM 
: >support, that I left that system.  (we are talking about 4-6 years
: >ago - os/2 
: >v2.0).
: >
: >I know that OS/2 is superior to WIN95 but I am currently diving
: >into Linux, 
: >multiple operating systems and local TCP/IP connectivity.  Is it
: >worth it to 
: >try OS/2 again?  (compare to Linux).  Is there any REAL advantage ?
: >
: >Thanks for any opinion.
: >
: >
: >Jack

: I see others have already responded, but I'll throw in my $0.02 as well.
: I used to have Linux and Warp on the same machine, and I booted both about as 
: often.  Linux, being essentially command-line, required me to understand the 
: inner workings of the OS more than the GUI of OS/2 (good thing.)  On the other 
: hand, OS/2's object oriented GUI was very consistent and easy to learn.  The only 
: question was:  Which one to use?  OS/2 supported the Windows productivity 
: apps that I use, while Linux supported the technical apps (Gnuplot, TeX) that I 
: needed for school.  Then I found a TeX distribution for OS/2 to go along with 
: the technical apps that I had already found.  So I wiped Linux (space) and have 
: been running OS/2 since.  

: If you are considering moving to (or adding) OS/2, I'd say go for it.  The support is 
: there, as well as the software.

: Luck,

: Jim Lang
: Student    (ALWAYS!)
: Mathematician   (SOON!)
: Team-OS/2
: #include standard_disclaimer.h

tech@actcom.co.il (Jumping Jack Flash) writes:

>
>
> Hi to all readers,
>
> I am seeking for advice whether or not to dive into OS/2 (again).
> I once was an OS/2 user, but I was so disappointed from the lousy
> IBM
> support, that I left that system.  (we are talking about 4-6 years
> ago - os/2
> v2.0).
>
> I know that OS/2 is superior to WIN95 but I am currently diving
> into Linux,
> multiple operating systems and local TCP/IP connectivity.  Is it
> worth it to
> try OS/2 again?  (compare to Linux).  Is there any REAL advantage ?

I suspect, that, from a multitasking point of view, Linux beats out OS/2 
(though I've never seen any actual legitimate comparisons).  Linux, like any 
*nix system, has built in security, and very nicely, has the source available 
unlike 99 percent of all OSs.

OS/2 does run DOS and Win16 apps very nicely, far better than Linux can claim 
to.

In the end, if I were setting up a server strictly for TCP/IP, and wasn't that 
concerned about DOS/Win, I'd go with Linux right now.

-----
Aaron Clausen                           Port Alberni, BC  Canada
aaronc@freenet.alberni.net

Jim Lang wrote:
> 
> In <32441060.4317070@news2.new-york.net>, tech@actcom.co.il (Jumping Jack Flash) writes:
>I am seeking for advice whether or not to dive into OS/2 (again).
>I once was an OS/2 user, but I was so disappointed from the lousy
>IBM support, that I left that system.  (we are talking about 4-6 years
>ago - os/2 v2.0).
>I know that OS/2 is superior to WIN95 but I am currently diving
>into Linux, multiple operating systems and local TCP/IP connectivity.  Is it
>worth it to try OS/2 again?  (compare to Linux).  Is there any REAL advantage ?

I am happy to see so many OS/2 users running LINUX.  I run both:
   OS/2 for  development, business apps and day to day operations,
   LINUX for developing and testing WWW stuff, Network Stuff, etc.

I also have a StinkPad 365XD with Win95 on it, but it was given to me and I run
netscape on it.  Seems like a waste of the machine, but I have no use for W95
other than a very clean netscape implementation.

I try to maintain cross platform neutrality for some of my products, and LINUX
gives me what I need for UNIX development and testing.

jd@sna.com (John W. Dougherty) wrote:


>(do a websearch on Linux and science and see what you come up with).  
>
Is there any CAD Application comparable with Autocad or Microstation
available ?
>
Thanks
CIAO
Ewald

Antworten bitte immer auch per e-mail :-)

Ewald Maier wrote:
> 
> jd@sna.com (John W. Dougherty) wrote:
> 
> >(do a websearch on Linux and science and see what you come up with).
> >
> Is there any CAD Application comparable with Autocad or Microstation
> available ?
> >
> Thanks
> CIAO
> Ewald
> 
> Antworten bitte immer auch per e-mail :-)

Yes, Microstation does run on OS2.

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"A.J Mehrabian" <tmaster@dentistzone.com> writes:

>Ewald Maier wrote:
>> 
>> jd@sna.com (John W. Dougherty) wrote:
>> 
>> >(do a websearch on Linux and science and see what you come up with).
>> >
>> Is there any CAD Application comparable with Autocad or Microstation
>> available ?
>> >

>Yes, Microstation does run on OS2.

Yes, Microstation is being ported to Linux. The guy doing it was
feeling very smug when he got +30% performance against the more
highly tuned NT version.

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ashelton@yallara.cs.rmit.EDU.AU (A Shelton) wrote:


>>> Is there any CAD Application comparable with Autocad or Microstation
>>> available ?

>>Yes, Microstation does run on OS2.
           ^^^^^^^^^^		^^^^^^^^^^
How much does it cost ?
>
>Yes, Microstation is being ported to Linux. The guy doing it was
>feeling very smug when he got +30% performance against the more
>highly tuned NT version.
Where can I get this Linux Application and how big is it to download ?
CIAO
Ewald

Antworten bitte immer auch per e-mail :-)
Please answer with e-mail too :-)

Subject line can be answered by considering the following question:

How are apples compared to...oranges?

Pankil (pankil@ibm.net) wrote:
: Subject line can be answered by considering the following question:
: 
: How are apples compared to...oranges?

As far as multitasking goes, I find that OS/2 and Linux seem to multitask
in a similar way.. Well for me it seems that way :)

see ya

-- 
Paul Snow

		"For you, there might be another song,
		But all my heart can hear is your melody"