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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
>In <OR2GAP0P38706.0511342593@anonymous.poster>,
>anonymous@remailer.hastio.org wrote:
>
>> "Mark K. Dildo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
>>>In <UCGHPYDQ38705.6741435185@anonymous>, Anonymous
>>><BigappleRemailer@bigapple.yi.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you Kate.  I have observed the harassment Ken Pangborn has
>>>> suffered
>>>
>>>WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! WHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>>That's *funny!
>>>
>>>--
>> Hey JERKOFF.......I guess you MISSED that Kate did her research on the
>> forgeries.  And concluded that they were made by your GAY LOVER MOORE.
>> 
>> Mark still losing the battle with puberty I see.
>> 
>> 
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>> This message was posted via one or more anonymous remailing services. The
>> original sender is unknown.  Any address shown in the From header is
>> unverified.
>
>Lemme revisit this a moment dimwit. You've had trouble with this concept
>before.
>
>Short of an actual court order, there is no legal way to discover *who* is
>sending the anonymous messages. And even *with a court order, it's
>unlikely the origin of any past message could be discovered as many (if
>not all) remailers don't keep logs (and that's provided they're even in US
>jurisdiction which many are not). 

There's also "chaining" to consider.  Most of the time, anonymizing
software allows the sender to select multiple remailers to send a message
through.  The software then encrypts for each remailer in the chain.
Therefore, even if the remailer I'm using right here (Frell) is ordered to
produce logs, and even if they have logs, all they're going to see is that
the message came from another remailer (Borked).  

Some people, I would imagine, might chain through up to half a dozen
remailers depending on their security needs.  In my case, I'm not doing
espionage or anything like that....simply looking to post without people
like Ken learning my ISP and flooding the abuse desk with complaints.


>
>There is nothing to "investigate" far as the anonymous messages are
>concerned. Nobody can determine who's sending them. That's the fucking
>*point of using an anonymizer. 

Except for cases when someone is forging through a remailer, and forgets to
switch back to their own ID.  Then switches back and sends the SAME message
eight hours later.  :)


>DUH.
>
>The funniest thing is that if it is Moore sending the anonymous messages,
>Pangborn's his puppet, dancing to Moore's tune every time Moore pulls his
>strings.
>
>If it is Moore, my hat's off to him. I've never seen someone so utterly
>reduce an opponent on Usenet to the status of trained poodle...

LOL....thanks....I think.

No, I'm not making the forgeries.  Of course, I could be lying, because as
you pointed out, there is no real way to determine who the sender is on any
remailed message (unless it's signed with PGP.)  I suppose if I were "put
on the witness stand" I would have to offer the following on my behalf:

1. I've never had any beef or quarrel with anyone in the atheist group, or
any of the other groups which have been forged
2. On at least one occasion, Pangborn was proven to have forged.  (This was
actually the forgery of you, where he sent the same message 8 hours later
from his Verizon:  http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com/altatheism.html) 
3. He's been caught lying hundreds of times.

Of course, he can argue that I use remailers, the forger uses remailers.
By this logic, every time a pyramid scheme or phishing attack originates
from yahoo.com, all 100 million Yahoo users are responsible.


http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com





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