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In <429526e83995ba2ab46a65e442252303@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>,
"freedom" <aboutken@KRPaboutISkenApangbornFRAUD.com> wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> 
> "Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
>>In <OR2GAP0P38706.0511342593@anonymous.poster>,
>>anonymous@remailer.hastio.org wrote:
>>
>>> "Mark K. Dildo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
>>>>In <UCGHPYDQ38705.6741435185@anonymous>, Anonymous
>>>><BigappleRemailer@bigapple.yi.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Kate.  I have observed the harassment Ken Pangborn has
>>>>> suffered
>>>>
>>>>WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! WHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>>That's *funny!
>>>>
>>>>--
>>> Hey JERKOFF.......I guess you MISSED that Kate did her research on the
>>> forgeries.  And concluded that they were made by your GAY LOVER MOORE.
>>> 
>>> Mark still losing the battle with puberty I see.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> This message was posted via one or more anonymous remailing services.
>>> The original sender is unknown.  Any address shown in the From header
>>> is unverified.
>>
>>Lemme revisit this a moment dimwit. You've had trouble with this concept
>>before.
>>
>>Short of an actual court order, there is no legal way to discover *who*
>>is sending the anonymous messages. And even *with a court order, it's
>>unlikely the origin of any past message could be discovered as many (if
>>not all) remailers don't keep logs (and that's provided they're even in
>>US jurisdiction which many are not).
> 
> There's also "chaining" to consider.  Most of the time, anonymizing
> software allows the sender to select multiple remailers to send a
> message through.  The software then encrypts for each remailer in the
> chain. Therefore, even if the remailer I'm using right here (Frell) is
> ordered to produce logs, and even if they have logs, all they're going
> to see is that the message came from another remailer (Borked).

And as I recall, there's the whole "mixmaster" scheme that'll bounce
messages around anonymous servers for you.
 
> Some people, I would imagine, might chain through up to half a dozen
> remailers depending on their security needs.  In my case, I'm not doing
> espionage or anything like that....simply looking to post without people
> like Ken learning my ISP and flooding the abuse desk with complaints.

Gee, you don't think he'd do *that do you?

>>There is nothing to "investigate" far as the anonymous messages are
>>concerned. Nobody can determine who's sending them. That's the fucking
>>*point of using an anonymizer.
> 
> Except for cases when someone is forging through a remailer, and forgets
> to switch back to their own ID.  Then switches back and sends the SAME
> message eight hours later.  :)

Well, there is *that.

I mean in the way he makes so much of the headers. There's just "there"
there.

>>DUH.
>>
>>The funniest thing is that if it is Moore sending the anonymous
>>messages, Pangborn's his puppet, dancing to Moore's tune every time
>>Moore pulls his strings.
>>
>>If it is Moore, my hat's off to him. I've never seen someone so utterly
>>reduce an opponent on Usenet to the status of trained poodle...
> 
> LOL....thanks....I think.

<G>

> No, I'm not making the forgeries.  Of course, I could be lying, because
> as you pointed out, there is no real way to determine who the sender is
> on any remailed message (unless it's signed with PGP.)  I suppose if I
> were "put on the witness stand" I would have to offer the following on
> my behalf:
> 
> 1. I've never had any beef or quarrel with anyone in the atheist group,
> or any of the other groups which have been forged

While the forges here in a.a. started after he, himself, under his own
name and account, had a quite nasty run in with folks in a.a. 

Funny that huh?

> 2. On at least one occasion, Pangborn was proven to have forged.  (This
> was actually the forgery of you, where he sent the same message 8 hours
> later from his Verizon: 
> http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com/altatheism.html) 

Oh I remember that one. <g>

> 3. He's been caught lying hundreds of times.
> 
> Of course, he can argue that I use remailers, the forger uses remailers.
> By this logic, every time a pyramid scheme or phishing attack originates
> from yahoo.com, all 100 million Yahoo users are responsible.

Yeah, the use of remailers tells us nothing one way or the other. The
things he finds "significant" are just... strange.
-- 
Mark K. Bilbo
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