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In article <35d80b46.2770266@news.dnai.com>, anon21232@usa.net (Diane
Arons) wrote:

> On Sun, 02 Aug 1998 17:53:37 -0700, aldeberan@alt.net (Star
> Traveler) wrote:
> 
> >Just
> >recently we started seeing the cyber-terrorist Celeste, who has gone
> >underground with her "cancel-war" and is now engaging a cancel-bot from
> >hackers to nuke and destroy this newsgroup. She is engagin in all these
> >things at one time.
> 
> Star Traveler - why did you crosspost this to the men's rights
> newsgroup  and to soc.men??  I'm just curious

A righteous question, to be sure. It sounds controversial, but remember,
I've been going to several different newsgroups on censorship issues.
These groups, if you check out my previous postings (before ever coming
here) were engaged in a vicious plug pulling and totally slanderous
disinformation campaign against certain people there. You people are being
subjected to the very same thing in this group.

It turns out that once certain people are aware of how these things work,
some of those people are willing to put in some time in other newsgroups,
regarding the same thing. So, your question is, why would I cross-post to
there?

Because (1) I've been there just recently, (2) the people there are aware
of how this thing works, (3) there may be more who are willing to jump in
and support free speech. I'm trusting on the free speech issue to override
any other concerns.

This may sound like trouble, but I've found out that the wider spread the
information is, the more help you can get. The real trouble is coming from
Celeste.



> I'm not sure that Celeste is the one doing the supersedes.
> Actually about as many of them are showing a (presumably forged)
> path to you - check it out.  I'm assuming that the they are
> forged and not from you.

If you've check out my previous postings, you'll see that there are only
two paths involved. One from SuperNews and one from Altopia. And believe
me, you're not going to get this kind of action from either one of those
sources. Someone would be shut down in short order. I haven't examined the
paths, but I assume it's one of those two that you're talking about. If
so, each one of those services has several thousand people (and more) on
them. It's hard to say that it's coming from a particular person, unless
you have some "intelligence information". And neither one of those
services give any ISP information in their headers. So, it's still a
mystery to an outside observer. But, the people inside those services know
whether this is coming from them. And you simply couldn't do it at either
one.

And one more thing. Keep in mind that on UseNet, at any one time, there
may be several different people running cancels. I know of several others
running them, right along with Celeste. However, I'm talking about Celeste
here.



> So can you really prove it's the Cancel Queen doing any of the
> cancels?  If so then please provide the proof (headers and all)
> and steps can be taken to stop that.  *I* certainly would want to
> know.

I could if I wanted to divulge intelligence information. But, I can't do
that. If I told you, I'd have to kill you. ;) But, really, you wouldn't
expect to give away my secrets would you. This is just information so that
you really know where it's coming from and what the strategy is. It's her
strategy to turn this newsgroup into a cesspool of havoc and disaster, and
then have everyone beg her to come back. You should be able to see through
that, just on your own intuition and logic. I happen to have additional
information that confirms that story.



> If you're just guessing then I would suggest that you would be
> just playing into the hands of the kooks who like to stir up
> things cause they think it's kewl.

This is no guess and it's no "come-on" to stir up trouble for trouble's
sake. It's a fact. She's running these cancels big time -- right now. You
can take it or leave it -- as far as the information is concerned. But,
there's one thing that I've been through all this -- and that is -- pretty
straightforward as to what is going on.



> ..... Look if you have anything
> solid then please let us know - otherwise consider what I've said
> please.  OK?  :)

I do have something very solid. But, I just can't divulge it. I'm sorry
about that. It's extremely trustworthy what I just said about Celeste.
She's behind all these cancels (and supersedes) in this group right now.
She's playing you all for big time suckers -- and I really hate to see
that happening from a censor, like Celeste, who has been so brazen and
boisterous that she thinks she's invincible and can take over anything,
simply because she believe the "technocrats" rule [that's straight from
her, by the way].




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Does your news server allow forged cancels? That promotes censorship
on content. A UseNet Death Penalty was issued because of my warning
about a crooked ISP -- ** Texas.Net ** -- cheating the customers.
Complain in a post to austin.internet about the UDP and censorship!!