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Re: Inappropriate Retro-Moderation

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From: Star Traveler
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 00:00
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In article <35B58724.6AD0C0FD@bga.com>, Julie Haugh <jfh@bga.com> wrote:

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> Greetings,
> 
> If you are a citizen of the State of Texas and believe that you
> are being injured by the unauthorized forging of "cancel" messages
> against articles which you are posting, please send me a letter.
> There are legal remedies which are available to the residents of
> this State and sufficient legal precedent in Travis County to likely
> get an injunction against Celeste.


I hate to tell you this, but your company that you currently have service
with is one of the biggest censors in Texas (bga.com) as they are
affiliated with RealTime Internet Services and also give a home to the big
censor in Texas, who likes to censor on content -- who is Chip Rosenthal.

I would suggest you work on cleaning up your own backyard first -- before
you attempt to clean up someone else's backyard.

Censorship encountered anywhere is still censorship -- it matters not what
the topic is. I find myself allied with many  (and as such compatriots) on
the basis of censorship itself, while I may be totally opposed otherwise.
It's simply that free speech is the underpinnings for all other things. If
you remove that -- then you have nothing left.

The issues discussed in the "austin.internet" group was not about these
issues here. There it was about fraudulent advertising, scamming
customers, bad customer service. And the result was -- attempts at
retromoderation, censorship, and finally a UDP -- all to shut up the
scamming that was done by the company Texas.Net.

So, if you are truly opposed to censorship -- and are not just trying to
maintain a personal viewpoint that is being stomped on here -- then you
would have already been cleaning up your own backyard, first.

Therefore, where have your efforts been in Texas -- in regards to
censorship stemming **directly** from the providers that you are with? You
seem to be more "conveniently" involved with this censorship issue,
instead of attacking it on all fronts, no matter where it appears.

I don't have anything to do with these issues discussed here -- yet I know
what the censorship beast looks like when it appears, and it has appeared
here. Why don't you know what it looks like when it appears where you are
at?

And if you want me to make it simpler for some of you, you could call Chip
Rosenthal (the censor in Austin) "Celeste" for what he is doing (with the
added understanding that he also has the backing of certain segments of
the ISP industry, to silence consumers who point out scamming and cheating
of the customers of certain ISPs. Chip Rosenthal has been compared to an
"industry-whore" working for "pimp" ISPs. That's about what it is. Perhaps
what he is doing is worse, being a whore for industry money, than someone
who may be overzealous and totally misguided.

Let me tell you, the censorship beast in your backyard is neither
misguided or overzealous, but a total bigot and dictator, out to enforce
industry viewpoints and silence any consumer issues.




xxx                                                              xxx
xxx                          A message                           xxx
xxx                from the original, one & only                 xxx
xxx                    --> Star Traveler <--                     xxx
xxx                  <mailto:aldeberan@alt.net>                  xxx
xxx            -->>> <http://www.aldeberan.org> <<<--            xxx
xxx       UDP-ed for warning about a scam at Texas.Net ISP       xxx
xxx          Protest FOR free speech at austin.internet          xxx
xxx                                                              xxx

Does your news server allow forged cancels? That promotes censorship
on content. A UseNet Death Penalty was issued because of my warning
about a crooked ISP -- ** Texas.Net ** -- cheating the customers.
Complain in a post to austin.internet about the UDP and censorship!!
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From: aldeberan@alt.net (Star Traveler)
Subject: Re: Inappropriate Retro-Moderation
Date: 1998/07/22
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