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in article BDBF04D6.DC55%catchmerevisited2004@yahoo.ca, catchmerevisited at
catchmerevisited2004@yahoo.ca wrote on 11/16/04 1:13 AM:

> Rev.A iMac (Bondi), O/S 9.2.2, usb keyboard: macally ikey
> USB drivers 1.5.6 apple standard install
> problem: keyboard intermittently fails to send keypresses, forcing a restart
> via mouse to temporarily correct.
> after testing all the connections etc., ran apple system profile, scanned
> devices and volumes and did a usb report (show usb alerts and events).
> lines 32.x reports unable to locate device descriptors; this appears to be
> the keyboard isn't reporting its function?
> line 1.851 and lines 34.x are also interesting?
> 
> if anybody can lend me their qualified attention, and advise me of the
> nature of this problem?
> I am guessing it *may* be the keyboard itself, but have doubts b/c it is
> brand new, and I have had no prob's w/ macally previously.
> 
> 
> 1.740: Expert - Initializing ROM based USB Expert 1.5.6
> 1.782: [  123456789]: UIM    - wake handler enqueued 0
> 1.851: [          0]: USL    - ctlPktHandler, ********** unqueued does not
> match 65535
> 1.851: [          0]: USL    - ctlPktHandler pb 179760
> 1.851: [          0]: USL    - ctlPktHandler pbq 0
> 1.851: [  123456789]: UIM    - UIMEndpointDelete: Could not find endpoint
> -6987
> 1.874: [   75575968]: Expert - LoadClassDriver: USBHub1Apple - calling
> driver initialize routine... 0
> 1.875: [   75575968]: Expert - LoadClassDriver: USBHub1Apple - driver
> initialization completed 0
> 1.876: [   75575968]: Driver - Externally powered Hub attached - power
> supply good 0
> 1.974: [   75575968]: Driver - Hub Driver - Device found, calling
> USBHubAddDevice. Port 1
> 2.018: [   75576225]: Expert - LoadClassDriver: USBHub0Apple - calling
> driver initialize routine... 0
> 2.019: [   75576225]: Expert - LoadClassDriver: USBHub0Apple - driver
> initialization completed 0
> 2.024: [   75576225]: Driver - Hub Driver - Hub is bus powered 50
> 2.025: [   75576225]: Driver - Hub attached - Self/Bus powered, no external
> power 0
> 2.073: [   75576225]: Driver - Hub Driver - Device found, calling
> USBHubAddDevice. Port 1
> 2.114: [   75576482]: Expert - LoadClassDriver: USBCompositeDevice1.5.6 -
> calling driver initialize routine... 0
> 2.114: [   75576482]: Expert - LoadClassDriver: USBCompositeDevice1.5.6 -
> driver initialization completed 0
> 2.161: [-1744499966]: Expert - LoadInterfaceDriver:
> USBHIDKeyboardModule1.5.6 - calling driver initialize routine... 0
> 2.161: [-1744499966]: Expert - LoadInterfaceDriver:
> USBHIDKeyboardModule1.5.6 - driver initialization completed 0
> 2.175: [   75576225]: Driver - Hub Driver - Device found, calling
> USBHubAddDevice. Port 2
> 2.425: [   75576867]: Expert - LoadClassDriver: USBCompositeDevice1.5.6 -
> calling driver initialize routine... 0
> 2.425: [   75576867]: Expert - LoadClassDriver: USBCompositeDevice1.5.6 -
> driver initialization completed 0
> 2.481: [-1744499709]: Expert - LoadInterfaceDriver: USBHIDMouseModule1.5.6 -
> calling driver initialize routine... 0
> 2.483: [-1744499709]: Expert - LoadInterfaceDriver: USBHIDMouseModule1.5.6 -
> driver initialization completed 0
> 3.440: [          0]: Expert - Bus Enumeration using ROM-based drivers
> (mSec):  1599
> 3.445: [          0]: Expert - Registered with Native Power Manager 0
> 32.518: [-1744499966]: Fatal Error: USBHIDKeyboardModule: Error during
> kReadInterruptPipe, -6982, 7
> 32.521: [-1744499709]: Fatal Error: USBHIDMouseModule: Error during
> ReadInterruptPipe, -6982, 6
> 32.522: [-1744499966]: Fatal Error: USBCompositeDriver -
> USBDisposeInterfaceRef - immediate error, -6999, -6978
> 32.522: [-1744499709]: Fatal Error: USBCompositeDriver -
> USBDisposeInterfaceRef - immediate error, -6999, -6978
> 32.525: [   75576482]: Expert - Finalize returned:  0
> 32.528: [   75576867]: Expert - Finalize returned:  0
> 32.534: [-1744499966]: Expert - Unable to locate device descriptor:  -2538
> 32.534: [-1744499966]: Expert - Finalize returned:  0
> 32.543: [-1744499709]: Expert - Unable to locate device descriptor:  -2538
> 32.543: [-1744499709]: Expert - Finalize returned:  0
> 32.866: [          0]: Expert - MatchDriverToDevice: No valid members in
> disk fragment -2814
> 33.198: [   75576482]: Expert - LoadClassDriver: USBCompositeDevice1.5.6 -
> calling driver initialize routine... 0
> 33.200: [   75576482]: Expert - LoadClassDriver: USBCompositeDevice1.5.6 -
> driver initialization completed 0
> 33.310: [          0]: Expert - MatchDriverToDevice: No valid members in
> disk fragment -2814
> 33.447: [   75576867]: Expert - LoadClassDriver: USBCompositeDevice1.5.6 -
> calling driver initialize routine... 0
> 33.448: [   75576867]: Expert - LoadClassDriver: USBCompositeDevice1.5.6 -
> driver initialization completed 0
> 33.736: [        876]: Expert - LoadUSBShim: Unable to register fragment!
> -2805
> 34.031: [          0]: Expert - MatchDriverToInterface: No valid members in
> disk fragment -2814
> 34.142: [-1744499452]: Expert - LoadInterfaceDriver:
> USBHIDKeyboardModule1.5.6 - calling driver initialize routine... 0
> 34.161: [-1744499452]: Expert - LoadInterfaceDriver:
> USBHIDKeyboardModule1.5.6 - driver initialization completed 0
> 34.547: [          0]: Expert - MatchDriverToInterface: No valid members in
> disk fragment -2814
> 34.641: [-1744499195]: Expert - LoadInterfaceDriver: USBHIDMouseDriver -
> calling driver initialize routine... 0
> 34.642: [-1744499195]: Expert - LoadInterfaceDriver: USBHIDMouseDriver -
> driver initialization completed 0
> 34.650: [          0]: USL    - processDelayQ delayQueueChanged, breaking 0
> 35.445: [          0]: Expert - Bus Enumeration using disk-based drivers
> (mSec):  1533
> 

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 09:13:58 GMT, catchmerevisited
<catchmerevisited2004@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>Rev.A iMac (Bondi), O/S 9.2.2, usb keyboard: macally ikey
>USB drivers 1.5.6 apple standard install
>problem: keyboard intermittently fails to send keypresses, forcing a restart
>via mouse to temporarily correct.
>after testing all the connections etc., ran apple system profile, scanned
>devices and volumes and did a usb report (show usb alerts and events).
>lines 32.x reports unable to locate device descriptors; this appears to be
>the keyboard isn't reporting its function?
>line 1.851 and lines 34.x are also interesting?
>
>if anybody can lend me their qualified attention, and advise me of the
>nature of this problem?
>I am guessing it *may* be the keyboard itself, but have doubts b/c it is
>brand new, and I have had no prob's w/ macally previously.

Your problem is...you are using an iMac. Get a better computer.

Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:


> Your problem is...you are using an iMac. Get a better computer.

Wow you are -so- good at diagnosing computer problems. Wow!
Boy! Sheesh! Amazing!

Dale

-- 
dstanbro@spam.o.matic.bigpond.net.au

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:27:13 GMT, Dale Stanbrough
<MrNoSpam@bigpoop.net.au> wrote:

>Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Your problem is...you are using an iMac. Get a better computer.
>
>Wow you are -so- good at diagnosing computer problems. Wow!
>Boy! Sheesh! Amazing!
>
I am very good at diagnosing computer problems, however, since your
friend doesn't really have a  computer, I'm afraid I can't be of much
help. 

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:56:15 GMT, Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:

>On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:27:13 GMT, Dale Stanbrough wrote:
>
>> Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Your problem is...you are using an iMac. Get a better computer.
>> 
>> Wow you are -so- good at diagnosing computer problems. Wow!
>> Boy! Sheesh! Amazing!
>> 
>> Dale
>
>You forgot to bow, you lowly ingrate.

LOL. 

Rev Turd Fredericks wrote:
> Your problem is...you are using an iMac. Get a better computer.

Another dope who thinks he is smart, amusing or whatever.
In reality - a fool, the only person he impresses is himself.

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:36:39 +1100, draino <draino@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Rev Turd Fredericks wrote:
>> Your problem is...you are using an iMac. Get a better computer.
>
>Another dope who thinks he is smart, amusing or whatever.
>In reality - a fool, the only person he impresses is himself.
>
>
Gee, seems like somebody has a big chip on his shoulder. Pay far too
much for an inferior outdated unstable and slow computer that can't
run any software? Who are you trying to impress? 

In article <i33mp0p8kgu83gt26ufufpvgkd3otrga85@4ax.com>,
 Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:56:15 GMT, Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
> 
> >On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:27:13 GMT, Dale Stanbrough wrote:
> >
> >> Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Your problem is...you are using an iMac. Get a better computer.
> >> 
> >> Wow you are -so- good at diagnosing computer problems. Wow!
> >> Boy! Sheesh! Amazing!
> >> 
> >> Dale
> >
> >You forgot to bow, you lowly ingrate.
> 
> LOL. 



your "e-mail address" says it all, dipweed!  Go home to momma.  Be sure 
and tell her what bully's we are.

Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:27:13 GMT, Dale Stanbrough
> <MrNoSpam@bigpoop.net.au> wrote:
> 
> >Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Your problem is...you are using an iMac. Get a better computer.
> >
> >Wow you are -so- good at diagnosing computer problems. Wow!
> >Boy! Sheesh! Amazing!
> >
> I am very good at diagnosing computer problems, however, since your
> friend doesn't really have a  computer, I'm afraid I can't be of much
> help. 

Oh, so that's what the problem was. Gee you are so good.

Dale

-- 
dstanbro@spam.o.matic.bigpond.net.au

Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:

> Gee, seems like somebody has a big chip on his shoulder. Pay far too
> much for an inferior outdated unstable and slow computer that can't
> run any software? Who are you trying to impress?

Well, *I'm* certainly convinced by your erudite analysis. I now realise
the error of my ways and will be disposing of my pathetic excuse for a
computer as soon as possible.

(PS Don't worry, puberty is a very troubling time for many youngsters.
You are not alone, and your hormones will probably settle down as you
gradually come to terms with the transition from child to adult.)

-- 
Adrian

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 03:33:58 GMT, someone posing as Rev Turd Fredericks
chisled in the wall:


> Your problem is...you are using an iMac. Get a better computer.

Dude!!

Don't be dissin' Macs!  My SE got the best 14" greyscale screen a 40MB HDD,
and a one-button mouse. Betcha can't do your stuff with a one-button mouse,
eh?


-- 
kai - filesiteguy at yahoo dot com
www.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org
"i believe in what i'm doing but what is it i'm doing here?"

Now playing: "Pixies - La La Love You"

nonesuch@place.com (Adrian) wrote:
> 
> > Gee, seems like somebody has a big chip on his shoulder. Pay far too
> > much for an inferior outdated unstable and slow computer that can't
> > run any software? Who are you trying to impress?
> 
> Well, *I'm* certainly convinced by your erudite analysis. I now realise
> the error of my ways and will be disposing of my pathetic excuse for a
> computer as soon as possible.
> 

Yeah, sounds good enough for me too. Out they go: the eMac, the Pismo, 
the 8100, the lot. Off goes the iMac 500, just bought for A$275 that has 
Panther doing all that internet stuff like a breeze.

I've now seen the light, gunna get rid of these toys and get me some 
*real* computers.

Thanks Reverend.

Don't feed the trolls ;)

On 18/11/04 7:37 AM, in article 1gneww6.14vxi3g1h86i9sN%nonesuch@place.com,
"Adrian" <nonesuch@place.com> wrote:

> Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
> 
>> Gee, seems like somebody has a big chip on his shoulder. Pay far too
>> much for an inferior outdated unstable and slow computer that can't
>> run any software? Who are you trying to impress?
> 
> Well, *I'm* certainly convinced by your erudite analysis. I now realise
> the error of my ways and will be disposing of my pathetic excuse for a
> computer as soon as possible.
> 
> (PS Don't worry, puberty is a very troubling time for many youngsters.
> You are not alone, and your hormones will probably settle down as you
> gradually come to terms with the transition from child to adult.)

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:27:13 GMT, Dale Stanbrough
<MrNoSpam@bigpoop.net.au> wrote:

>Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Your problem is...you are using an iMac. Get a better computer.
>
>Wow you are -so- good at diagnosing computer problems. Wow!
>Boy! Sheesh! Amazing!
>
>Dale

Isn't he good?
:-)
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:37:38 +0000 (UTC), nonesuch@place.com (Adrian)
wrote:

>Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
>
>> Gee, seems like somebody has a big chip on his shoulder. Pay far too
>> much for an inferior outdated unstable and slow computer that can't
>> run any software? Who are you trying to impress?
>
>Well, *I'm* certainly convinced by your erudite analysis. I now realise
>the error of my ways and will be disposing of my pathetic excuse for a
>computer as soon as possible.

Good for you.
You see if you hang around here long enough you will learn
something...

>(PS Don't worry, puberty is a very troubling time for many youngsters.
>You are not alone, and your hormones will probably settle down as you
>gradually come to terms with the transition from child to adult.)

Puberty?
Rev?
ROTFLMAO
Where in the hell did this little fukkers come from?
Damn,
I take one little trip to Florida.
The IT fukks at my company hose my lappie.
I miss the new meat...
:-(

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Brotherhood (Vice Chairman)                                                   
Anti Archangel #41                                  The difference between John Kerry and Ted Kennedy is    
                                                                     that Ted Kennedy has at least one confirmed kill.   
>--|                                                            
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In article <1smi6i5053fuc.dlg@icepick.org>,
 Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:33:45 GMT, Chris wrote:
> 
> > In article <i33mp0p8kgu83gt26ufufpvgkd3otrga85@4ax.com>,
> >  Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:56:15 GMT, Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
> >> 
> >>>On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:27:13 GMT, Dale Stanbrough wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> Your problem is...you are using an iMac. Get a better computer.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Wow you are -so- good at diagnosing computer problems. Wow!
> >>>> Boy! Sheesh! Amazing!
> >>>> 
> >>>> Dale
> >>>
> >>>You forgot to bow, you lowly ingrate.
> >> 
> >> LOL. 
> > 
> > your "e-mail address" says it all, dipweed!  Go home to momma.  Be sure 
> > and tell her what bully's we are.
> 
> Bully's??
> 
> 


Yeah, you know the little bully who gets the crap kicked out of him and 
he runs home to mamma.  He tells her lies about us bullying him and 
picking on him when we all know it's the other way round.

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:33:45 GMT, Chris <none@none.none> wrote:

>In article <i33mp0p8kgu83gt26ufufpvgkd3otrga85@4ax.com>,
> Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:56:15 GMT, Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:27:13 GMT, Dale Stanbrough wrote:
>> >
>> >> Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >>> Your problem is...you are using an iMac. Get a better computer.
>> >> 
>> >> Wow you are -so- good at diagnosing computer problems. Wow!
>> >> Boy! Sheesh! Amazing!
>> >> 
>> >> Dale
>> >
>> >You forgot to bow, you lowly ingrate.
>> 
>> LOL. 
>
>
>
>your "e-mail address" says it all, dipweed!  Go home to momma.  Be sure 
>and tell her what bully's we are.

My email address is valid dickwad. You have a problem with my name why
don't you mail me and we can discuss it.

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:01:03 GMT, Dale Stanbrough
<MrNoSpam@bigpoop.net.au> wrote:

>Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:27:13 GMT, Dale Stanbrough
>> <MrNoSpam@bigpoop.net.au> wrote:
>> 
>> >Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> Your problem is...you are using an iMac. Get a better computer.
>> >
>> >Wow you are -so- good at diagnosing computer problems. Wow!
>> >Boy! Sheesh! Amazing!
>> >
>> I am very good at diagnosing computer problems, however, since your
>> friend doesn't really have a  computer, I'm afraid I can't be of much
>> help. 
>
>Oh, so that's what the problem was. Gee you are so good.
>
See, I told you

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:37:38 +0000 (UTC), nonesuch@place.com (Adrian)
wrote:

>Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
>
>> Gee, seems like somebody has a big chip on his shoulder. Pay far too
>> much for an inferior outdated unstable and slow computer that can't
>> run any software? Who are you trying to impress?
>
>Well, *I'm* certainly convinced by your erudite analysis. I now realise
>the error of my ways and will be disposing of my pathetic excuse for a
>computer as soon as possible.
>
Good idea, I hear they make good boat anchors.

>(PS Don't worry, puberty is a very troubling time for many youngsters.
>You are not alone, and your hormones will probably settle down as you
>gradually come to terms with the transition from child to adult.)

I'm sure it is, but not for me, that was over and done with over 25
years ago. Although if you were really an adult you would be using an
adult computer.  I am sure that when you "come to terms", get a job
and move out into the real world you will have to learn how to use a
real computer, one with a multi-button mouse rather than a one button
extra large playschool mouse.

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:46:48 GMT, Crawdad@bayou.com (Yomamma bin
Crawdaddin) wrote:

>On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:27:13 GMT, Dale Stanbrough
><MrNoSpam@bigpoop.net.au> wrote:
>
>>Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Your problem is...you are using an iMac. Get a better computer.
>>
>>Wow you are -so- good at diagnosing computer problems. Wow!
>>Boy! Sheesh! Amazing!
>>
>>Dale
>
>Isn't he good?
>:-)
You have to admit the advice was sound. These mac folks are certainly
very upitty, probably liberals :-)          

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:12:14 GMT, Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:

>On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:01:02 GMT, Chris wrote:
>
>> In article <1smi6i5053fuc.dlg@icepick.org>,
>>  Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:33:45 GMT, Chris wrote:
>>> 
>>>> In article <i33mp0p8kgu83gt26ufufpvgkd3otrga85@4ax.com>,
>>>>  Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:56:15 GMT, Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:27:13 GMT, Dale Stanbrough wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Your problem is...you are using an iMac. Get a better computer.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Wow you are -so- good at diagnosing computer problems. Wow!
>>>>>>> Boy! Sheesh! Amazing!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dale
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You forgot to bow, you lowly ingrate.
>>>>> 
>>>>> LOL. 
>>>> 
>>>> your "e-mail address" says it all, dipweed!  Go home to momma.  Be sure 
>>>> and tell her what bully's we are.
>>> 
>>> Bully's??
>>> 
>> 
>> Yeah, you know the little bully who gets the crap kicked out of him and 
>> he runs home to mamma.
>
>Yeah, that's what I figgered you dweebs were.
>
>I'll bet your mom is secretly disappointed no matter what she tells your
>sorry ass. 

You might add his sorry short bus ass. As hard as he might try, he
still can't handle even a two button mouse, his mommy is vey
disappointed in him.

In article <mp4op09jvcj33a38nq5vp8gh8kcb063qsv@4ax.com>,
 Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:33:45 GMT, Chris <none@none.none> wrote:
> 
> >In article <i33mp0p8kgu83gt26ufufpvgkd3otrga85@4ax.com>,
> > Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:56:15 GMT, Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:27:13 GMT, Dale Stanbrough wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
> >> >> 
> >> >>> Your problem is...you are using an iMac. Get a better computer.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Wow you are -so- good at diagnosing computer problems. Wow!
> >> >> Boy! Sheesh! Amazing!
> >> >> 
> >> >> Dale
> >> >
> >> >You forgot to bow, you lowly ingrate.
> >> 
> >> LOL. 
> >
> >
> >
> >your "e-mail address" says it all, dipweed!  Go home to momma.  Be sure 
> >and tell her what bully's we are.
> 
> My email address is valid dickwad. You have a problem with my name why
> don't you mail me and we can discuss it.



Touchy!  Must be that wintel machine, having to deal with all those 
viruses and spayware.  See what not getting any sleep does to you?  
Having to stay up all night to reinstall winblows just to rid yourself 
of the garbage, only to find it back 20 minutes later.

Best get a REAL computer, Turd!

In article <dgmptbznucpa.dlg@icepick.org>,
 Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:01:02 GMT, Chris wrote:
> 
> > In article <1smi6i5053fuc.dlg@icepick.org>,
> >  Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
> > 
> >> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:33:45 GMT, Chris wrote:
> >> 
> >>> In article <i33mp0p8kgu83gt26ufufpvgkd3otrga85@4ax.com>,
> >>>  Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:56:15 GMT, Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>>On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:27:13 GMT, Dale Stanbrough wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Your problem is...you are using an iMac. Get a better computer.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Wow you are -so- good at diagnosing computer problems. Wow!
> >>>>>> Boy! Sheesh! Amazing!
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Dale
> >>>>>
> >>>>>You forgot to bow, you lowly ingrate.
> >>>> 
> >>>> LOL. 
> >>> 
> >>> your "e-mail address" says it all, dipweed!  Go home to momma.  Be sure 
> >>> and tell her what bully's we are.
> >> 
> >> Bully's??
> >> 
> > 
> > Yeah, you know the little bully who gets the crap kicked out of him and 
> > he runs home to mamma.
> 
> Yeah, that's what I figgered you dweebs were.
> 
> I'll bet your mom is secretly disappointed no matter what she tells your
> sorry ass. 



Ok, another jerk in the wrong newsgroup!  Dweeb using a wintel that 
infects itself automatically with virii and spyware,  Yeap, a real 
rootin tootin computer!

In article <k56op091q5g6elrcuvf50aoeatso33nfr6@4ax.com>,
 Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:12:14 GMT, Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
> 
> >On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:01:02 GMT, Chris wrote:
> >
> >> In article <1smi6i5053fuc.dlg@icepick.org>,
> >>  Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:33:45 GMT, Chris wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> In article <i33mp0p8kgu83gt26ufufpvgkd3otrga85@4ax.com>,
> >>>>  Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:56:15 GMT, Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>>On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:27:13 GMT, Dale Stanbrough wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Your problem is...you are using an iMac. Get a better computer.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Wow you are -so- good at diagnosing computer problems. Wow!
> >>>>>>> Boy! Sheesh! Amazing!
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Dale
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>You forgot to bow, you lowly ingrate.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> LOL. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> your "e-mail address" says it all, dipweed!  Go home to momma.  Be sure 
> >>>> and tell her what bully's we are.
> >>> 
> >>> Bully's??
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> Yeah, you know the little bully who gets the crap kicked out of him and 
> >> he runs home to mamma.
> >
> >Yeah, that's what I figgered you dweebs were.
> >
> >I'll bet your mom is secretly disappointed no matter what she tells your
> >sorry ass. 
> 
> You might add his sorry short bus ass. As hard as he might try, he
> still can't handle even a two button mouse, his mommy is vey
> disappointed in him.



I'm starting to enjoy egging you two sorry excuses on!  I'm sure the 
rest of the folks are enjoying the show too.

No, my mother is not disappointed in me,  She has a child who is very 
computer literate.  So much so, he knows more that the IT folks at work 
who cannot fix a lot of the winblows problems he encounters so he has to 
fix them himself.  Can you two fully support yourselves on multiple 
platforms, or do you only know the one (which sucks big time by the 
way).  I only use it at work as I have no choice.  I come home to use a 
REAL computer, not a pc, but a workstation.  Can you spell 
"workstation"?  I doubt it.

Do you know how to use dos, which winblows is still based on, which is 
why it sucks so bad?  I do! Do you know your way around the winblows 
registry?

Or do you just use your winblows machines to play games, which is all 
they are good for?

I'm having fun! Shall we continue, idiots (alternate spelling - Trolls)?

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 05:04:18 GMT, Chris <none@none.none> wrote:

>In article <mp4op09jvcj33a38nq5vp8gh8kcb063qsv@4ax.com>,
> Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:33:45 GMT, Chris <none@none.none> wrote:
>> 
>> >In article <i33mp0p8kgu83gt26ufufpvgkd3otrga85@4ax.com>,
>> > Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:56:15 GMT, Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> >On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:27:13 GMT, Dale Stanbrough wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>> Your problem is...you are using an iMac. Get a better computer.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Wow you are -so- good at diagnosing computer problems. Wow!
>> >> >> Boy! Sheesh! Amazing!
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Dale
>> >> >
>> >> >You forgot to bow, you lowly ingrate.
>> >> 
>> >> LOL. 
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >your "e-mail address" says it all, dipweed!  Go home to momma.  Be sure 
>> >and tell her what bully's we are.
>> 
>> My email address is valid dickwad. You have a problem with my name why
>> don't you mail me and we can discuss it.
>
>
>
>Touchy!  Must be that wintel machine, having to deal with all those 
>viruses and spayware.  See what not getting any sleep does to you?  
>Having to stay up all night to reinstall winblows just to rid yourself 
>of the garbage, only to find it back 20 minutes later.
>
>Best get a REAL computer, Turd!

I have one, several actually. I suppose you think you are immune to
viruses and spyware? you are more witless than I thought. 

In article <fr4mp05lfekjqvo4jle83qvmne6mk0vosr@4ax.com>,
 Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:36:39 +1100, draino <draino@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >Rev Turd Fredericks wrote:
> >> Your problem is...you are using an iMac. Get a better computer.
> >
> >Another dope who thinks he is smart, amusing or whatever.
> >In reality - a fool, the only person he impresses is himself.
> >
> >
> Gee, seems like somebody has a big chip on his shoulder. Pay far too
> much for an inferior outdated unstable and slow computer that can't
> run any software? Who are you trying to impress? 



Turd, (what a GREAT name by the way!  My name is real.  My address may 
not be but then I don't want or expect e-mail, or spam.), you say you 
have several computers.  How much did you pay for them?  $500, $600, 
more?  Any get shipped into space in a satellite?  Any get used as part 
of a super computer?  Any so far immune to virus and spyware? (nothing 
yet proven to be written to infect Unix or OSX)  Any run the best most 
stable OS, Unix?

Face it, you're a sucker.  Billy boy suckered you.  You payed him so he 
could feed you garbage software on a garbage OS.

Macs are by no means inferior.  One manufacturer makes both hardware and 
OS.  Know what that means, do you, sucker?  It means it works out of the 
box!  It means it lasts twice as long or longer than your poor choice of 
hardware and OS.

Oh, and the next time you fly, you better hope your sorry ass the 
winblows server system that air traffic control chose to replace their 
rock solid Unix system with doesn't crash, again.  Yes, again.  Didn't 
hear that from Billy did you?

No, he wouldn't tell you poor schmucks.  He wants you to continue giving 
him money.  Seems winblows servers have to get rebooted on a set 
schedule, something like every thirty days.  Seems the caches fill up 
and it slows to a crawl before crashing if left to go.  Air traffic 
controllers forgot that little piece of info.  God I'm glad I don't fly!  
Good ol winblows.  What a pice of crap it is.

In article <BDC22A25.1965%goaway@nospam.com>,
 Ribfeast <goaway@nospam.com> wrote:

> Don't feed the trolls ;)
> 


But I'm having too much fun.  I'm sure I'll tire of their witless ways 
eventually.

In article <14tnxz546guq9$.dlg@icepick.org>,
 Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 05:06:15 GMT, Chris wrote:
> 
> > In article <dgmptbznucpa.dlg@icepick.org>,
> >  Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
> > 
> >> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:01:02 GMT, Chris wrote:
> >> 
> >>> In article <1smi6i5053fuc.dlg@icepick.org>,
> >>>  Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:33:45 GMT, Chris wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> In article <i33mp0p8kgu83gt26ufufpvgkd3otrga85@4ax.com>,
> >>>>>  Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:56:15 GMT, Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:27:13 GMT, Dale Stanbrough wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Your problem is...you are using an iMac. Get a better computer.
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Wow you are -so- good at diagnosing computer problems. Wow!
> >>>>>>>> Boy! Sheesh! Amazing!
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Dale
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>You forgot to bow, you lowly ingrate.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> LOL. 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> your "e-mail address" says it all, dipweed!  Go home to momma.  Be sure 
> >>>>> and tell her what bully's we are.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Bully's??
> >>>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Yeah, you know the little bully who gets the crap kicked out of him and 
> >>> he runs home to mamma.
> >> 
> >> Yeah, that's what I figgered you dweebs were.
> >> 
> >> I'll bet your mom is secretly disappointed no matter what she tells your
> >> sorry ass. 
> > 
> > Ok, another jerk in the wrong newsgroup!  Dweeb using a wintel that 
> > infects itself automatically with virii and spyware,  Yeap, a real 
> > rootin tootin computer!
> 
> Sorry to disappoint you asshole, but it is your problem, not mine.
> 
> As to my systems it shows how little you know of it. No virus, no spyware,
> ever. Unlike your POS, I can load anything I want, and do.
> 
> BTW, did you ever look at the logo on your POS? Notice the byte missing?
> Yuppers, and you're mommy bought it fer ya anyhow.
> 
> I notice the asshole who has no skills, a luuser, a dweeb, Chris. LOL!
> 
> Now c'mon turkey, tell Daddy how I run a ms-dos system, eh? ROTFLMAO!
> 
> You dunno kno shit.



I can spell better than you!  Nor am I going so far as to use your 
language.  Should I tell your provider what a bad boy you are?

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 06:43:39 GMT, Chris <none@none.none> wrote:

>In article <fr4mp05lfekjqvo4jle83qvmne6mk0vosr@4ax.com>,
> Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:36:39 +1100, draino <draino@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >Rev Turd Fredericks wrote:
>> >> Your problem is...you are using an iMac. Get a better computer.
>> >
>> >Another dope who thinks he is smart, amusing or whatever.
>> >In reality - a fool, the only person he impresses is himself.
>> >
>> >
>> Gee, seems like somebody has a big chip on his shoulder. Pay far too
>> much for an inferior outdated unstable and slow computer that can't
>> run any software? Who are you trying to impress? 
>
>
>
>Turd, (what a GREAT name by the way!  My name is real.  My address may 
>not be but then I don't want or expect e-mail, or spam.), you say you 
>have several computers.  How much did you pay for them?  $500, $600, 
>more?  Any get shipped into space in a satellite?  Any get used as part 
>of a super computer?  Any so far immune to virus and spyware? (nothing 
>yet proven to be written to infect Unix or OSX)  Any run the best most 
>stable OS, Unix?

Yes, my main machine is a linux box. I have at least 5 working
computers (1 linux, 1 BeOS, 2 win2K 1XP), not all of them are used all
the time but they all work. Macs make shitty "supercomputers" they are
too expensive and too insecure, and come with very poor support from
Apple who seems to think security through obscurity is a sound
security practise.

http://www.unwantedlinks.com/macsupport.htm 

Seems strange somebody would release a spyware remover for macs if no
such thing exists.

>
>Face it, you're a sucker.  Billy boy suckered you.  You payed him so he 
>could feed you garbage software on a garbage OS.

At least windows releases timely security updates. But like I say, I
don't normally use windows, I haven't for almost 2 years. Work paid
for win2k on the laptop, the desktop and Xp for the other laptop. I
haven't paid for windows since I bought a machine loaded with win98 6
years ago. How much have you paid for apple OS's <snicker>

>
>Macs are by no means inferior.  One manufacturer makes both hardware and 
>OS.  Know what that means, do you, sucker?  It means it works out of the 
>box!  It means it lasts twice as long or longer than your poor choice of 
>hardware and OS.

If there is one thing worse than closed source software, it's closed
source hardware. Macs are way overpriced, poorly warranteed, and not
easy to upgrade. Is there anything a mac can do that a pc can't? Nope
didn't think so, yet there are so many things PC's can do that macs
can't. Nah, you are the sucker, you paid far too much for a product
that is barely half as useful as it should be and not even close in
either quality or durability as it's competitor which costs half as
much and has plenty of free OS's for it and even more free software.
>
>Oh, and the next time you fly, you better hope your sorry ass the 
>winblows server system that air traffic control chose to replace their 
>rock solid Unix system with doesn't crash, again.  Yes, again.  Didn't 
>hear that from Billy did you?

I know nothing of this, but you don't have to tell me about the evil
empire, I already know, it's been done to death especially by mac
people that have a chip on their shoulders.
>
>No, he wouldn't tell you poor schmucks.  He wants you to continue giving 
>him money.  Seems winblows servers have to get rebooted on a set 
>schedule, something like every thirty days.  Seems the caches fill up 
>and it slows to a crawl before crashing if left to go.  Air traffic 
>controllers forgot that little piece of info.  God I'm glad I don't fly!  
>Good ol winblows.  What a pice of crap it is.

I don't use windows servers so this does not concern me. However,
considering that a mac can't even scan slides without locking up, I'd
rather take my chances with windows if I had to.

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 07:14:46 GMT, Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:

>On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 06:43:39 GMT, Chris wrote:
>
>> In article <fr4mp05lfekjqvo4jle83qvmne6mk0vosr@4ax.com>,
>>  Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:36:39 +1100, draino <draino@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>Rev Turd Fredericks wrote:
>>>>> Your problem is...you are using an iMac. Get a better computer.
>>>>
>>>>Another dope who thinks he is smart, amusing or whatever.
>>>>In reality - a fool, the only person he impresses is himself.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Gee, seems like somebody has a big chip on his shoulder. Pay far too
>>> much for an inferior outdated unstable and slow computer that can't
>>> run any software? Who are you trying to impress? 
>> 
>> Turd, (what a GREAT name by the way!  My name is real.  My address may 
>> not be but then I don't want or expect e-mail, or spam.), you say you 
>> have several computers.  How much did you pay for them?  $500, $600, 
>> more?  Any get shipped into space in a satellite?  Any get used as part 
>> of a super computer?  Any so far immune to virus and spyware? (nothing 
>> yet proven to be written to infect Unix or OSX)  Any run the best most 
>> stable OS, Unix?
>> 
>
>LMAO! Are you really that stupid?

I think he just may be :-)
>
>> Face it, you're a sucker.  Billy boy suckered you.  You payed him so he 
>> could feed you garbage software on a garbage OS.
>> 
>> Macs are by no means inferior.  One manufacturer makes both hardware and 
>> OS.  Know what that means, do you, sucker?  It means it works out of the 
>> box!  It means it lasts twice as long or longer than your poor choice of 
>> hardware and OS.
>> 
>
>Wrongo billy bob, since they make the hdwe and the software to go on it,
>then they have no bugs, problems, etc. Eh? Well....since they do then they
>have no excuse other than laame users such as your self, right? LOL
>
>Face it dipshit, they dunno how to do it right so they subcontract to MS.

Heh heh. MS bailed their ass out years ago by agreeing to port MS
office to mac and this is the gratitude they get. 

>
>> Oh, and the next time you fly, you better hope your sorry ass the 
>> winblows server system that air traffic control chose to replace their 
>> rock solid Unix system with doesn't crash, again.  Yes, again.  Didn't 
>> hear that from Billy did you?
>> 
>
>Oh they crash alright, even worse can't stay up with the load.

Yeah, it's like once the memory is used up they just give up the
ghost. I have never used a mac that didn't repeatedly crash when given
even the simplest of tasks to perform. Scanning slides, editing
pictures, and we aren't talking complicated layers and stuff, we are
talking about merely cropping and things like that on a large image.
What an exercise in frustration. 

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 03:25:17 GMT, Rev Turd Fredericks
<nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:46:48 GMT, Crawdad@bayou.com (Yomamma bin
>Crawdaddin) wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:27:13 GMT, Dale Stanbrough
>><MrNoSpam@bigpoop.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>>Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Your problem is...you are using an iMac. Get a better computer.
>>>
>>>Wow you are -so- good at diagnosing computer problems. Wow!
>>>Boy! Sheesh! Amazing!
>>>
>>>Dale
>>
>>Isn't he good?
>>:-)
>You have to admit the advice was sound. These mac folks are certainly
>very upitty, probably liberals :-)          

I was right there with you Rev.
I bet the DNC gives away them IMACS just for joining.
Sort of like a bank giving away toasters.
:-)
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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:01:02 GMT, Chris surprised everyone on Usenet by
scribbling:

> In article <1smi6i5053fuc.dlg@icepick.org>,
>  Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:33:45 GMT, Chris wrote:
>> 
>>> In article <i33mp0p8kgu83gt26ufufpvgkd3otrga85@4ax.com>,
>>>  Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:56:15 GMT, Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:27:13 GMT, Dale Stanbrough wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Your problem is...you are using an iMac. Get a better computer.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Wow you are -so- good at diagnosing computer problems. Wow!
>>>>>> Boy! Sheesh! Amazing!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dale
>>>>>
>>>>>You forgot to bow, you lowly ingrate.
>>>> 
>>>> LOL. 
>>> 
>>> your "e-mail address" says it all, dipweed!  Go home to momma.  Be sure 
>>> and tell her what bully's we are.
>> 
>> Bully's??
>> 
> 
> Yeah, you know the little bully who gets the crap kicked out of him and 
> he runs home to mamma.  He tells her lies about us bullying him and 
> picking on him when we all know it's the other way round.

Fuck off, Chris, 2600 is no match for you !
-- 
Hans van Eynsbergen
Rotterdam is http://tinyurl.com/xpkv
And as a finishing touch, God created the Dutch.
Ask me why and I'll spit in your eye.

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 05:16:53 GMT, Chris surprised everyone on Usenet by
scribbling:

> In article <k56op091q5g6elrcuvf50aoeatso33nfr6@4ax.com>,
>  Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:12:14 GMT, Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
>> 
>>>On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:01:02 GMT, Chris wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <1smi6i5053fuc.dlg@icepick.org>,
>>>>  Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:33:45 GMT, Chris wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> In article <i33mp0p8kgu83gt26ufufpvgkd3otrga85@4ax.com>,
>>>>>>  Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:56:15 GMT, Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:27:13 GMT, Dale Stanbrough wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Your problem is...you are using an iMac. Get a better computer.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Wow you are -so- good at diagnosing computer problems. Wow!
>>>>>>>>> Boy! Sheesh! Amazing!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Dale
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You forgot to bow, you lowly ingrate.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> LOL. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> your "e-mail address" says it all, dipweed!  Go home to momma.  Be sure 
>>>>>> and tell her what bully's we are.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bully's??
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Yeah, you know the little bully who gets the crap kicked out of him and 
>>>> he runs home to mamma.
>>>
>>>Yeah, that's what I figgered you dweebs were.
>>>
>>>I'll bet your mom is secretly disappointed no matter what she tells your
>>>sorry ass. 
>> 
>> You might add his sorry short bus ass. As hard as he might try, he
>> still can't handle even a two button mouse, his mommy is vey
>> disappointed in him.
> 
> I'm starting to enjoy egging you two sorry excuses on!  I'm sure the 
> rest of the folks are enjoying the show too.
> 
> No, my mother is not disappointed in me,  She has a child who is very 
> computer literate.  So much so, he knows more that the IT folks at work 
> who cannot fix a lot of the winblows problems he encounters so he has to 
> fix them himself.  Can you two fully support yourselves on multiple 
> platforms, or do you only know the one (which sucks big time by the 
> way).  I only use it at work as I have no choice.  I come home to use a 
> REAL computer, not a pc, but a workstation.  Can you spell 
> "workstation"?  I doubt it.
> 
> Do you know how to use dos, which winblows is still based on, which is 
> why it sucks so bad?  I do! Do you know your way around the winblows 
> registry?
> 
> Or do you just use your winblows machines to play games, which is all 
> they are good for?
> 
> I'm having fun! Shall we continue, idiots (alternate spelling - Trolls)?

Oh my god !
Not the my dick is bigger then yours contest !
Please, go bother someone else, dickface !
-- 
Hans van Eynsbergen
Rotterdam is http://tinyurl.com/xpkv
And as a finishing touch, God created the Dutch.
Ask me why and I'll spit in your eye.

In article <419ca140$1$14478$ba620dc5@nova.planet.nl>,
 Hans van Eynsbergen <Hans@NOSPAMhvane.cotse.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:01:02 GMT, Chris surprised everyone on Usenet by
> scribbling:
> 
> > In article <1smi6i5053fuc.dlg@icepick.org>,
> >  Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
> > 
> >> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:33:45 GMT, Chris wrote:
> >> 
> >>> In article <i33mp0p8kgu83gt26ufufpvgkd3otrga85@4ax.com>,
> >>>  Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:56:15 GMT, Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>>On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:27:13 GMT, Dale Stanbrough wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Your problem is...you are using an iMac. Get a better computer.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Wow you are -so- good at diagnosing computer problems. Wow!
> >>>>>> Boy! Sheesh! Amazing!
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Dale
> >>>>>
> >>>>>You forgot to bow, you lowly ingrate.
> >>>> 
> >>>> LOL. 
> >>> 
> >>> your "e-mail address" says it all, dipweed!  Go home to momma.  Be sure 
> >>> and tell her what bully's we are.
> >> 
> >> Bully's??
> >> 
> > 
> > Yeah, you know the little bully who gets the crap kicked out of him and 
> > he runs home to mamma.  He tells her lies about us bullying him and 
> > picking on him when we all know it's the other way round.
> 
> Fuck off, Chris, 2600 is no match for you !



I knew it!  What a bunch of little twits!  All you know how to do is 
play games.  Can you add 1 plus 1?  I doubt it as you waste your lives 
playing stupid pointless games.

For your lovely language you lose your Internet provider.  They don't 
like you.  Bye, have a nice life!

Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:

> I'm sure it is, but not for me, that was over and done with over 25
> years ago. Although if you were really an adult you would be using an
> adult computer.  I am sure that when you "come to terms", get a job
> and move out into the real world you will have to learn how to use a
> real computer, one with a multi-button mouse rather than a one button
> extra large playschool mouse.

I am genuinely surprised to learn that you are over the age of 15.
Please accept my apologies for this slur on your adulthood. However,
given the uninformed nonsense you spout, it was an easy mistake to make.
Your posts seem to imply that you might be frightened of something,
perhaps. You are clearly not happy.

Do you have a mouse detection system built into your Usenet news reader?
If not, I can't imagine how you can tell how many buttons my computer's
mouse has. Maybe you didn't know that Mac users have had the option to
use fully functional multi button mice for at least 10 years. Showing no
particular prejudice I rather like my Microsoft branded optical wheel
mouse for my Mac (3 buttons, 1 wheel). I also own a Windows PC, use
Windows and Mac in the work situation, and own older Apple hardware (I
had an installation of Linux on a PPC9600) as well as my current dual
processor G5. All these are real computers, all have their pros and
cons. My preference 95 percent of the time happens to be for the
Macintosh. What on earth has this preference got to do with you? Why
should you care?

Go on, prove that you are more than a troll - give me a reasoned
argument to support your point of view. Alternatively, keep on with your
current approach and guarantee a place in the kill file, whence peace
will be restored! Smile, and the world may just smile with you!


-- 
Adrian

Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:

> Heh heh. MS bailed their ass out years ago by agreeing to port MS
> office to mac and this is the gratitude they get. 

The porting went both ways I suppose, since both Word and Excel started
out on the Mac before a a PC version even existed.

-- 
Adrian

Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:

> Yes, my main machine is a linux box. I have at least 5 working
> computers (1 linux, 1 BeOS, 2 win2K 1XP), not all of them are used all
> the time but they all work. Macs make shitty "supercomputers" they are
> too expensive and too insecure, and come with very poor support from
> Apple who seems to think security through obscurity is a sound
> security practise.

Please note which cluster in the top 10 list which has the best
price-performance ratio.

-- 
Adrian

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:55:18 GMT, Chris surprised everyone on Usenet by
scribbling:

> In article <419ca140$1$14478$ba620dc5@nova.planet.nl>,
>  Hans van Eynsbergen <Hans@NOSPAMhvane.cotse.net> wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:01:02 GMT, Chris surprised everyone on Usenet by
>> scribbling:
>> 
>>> In article <1smi6i5053fuc.dlg@icepick.org>,
>>>  Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:33:45 GMT, Chris wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> In article <i33mp0p8kgu83gt26ufufpvgkd3otrga85@4ax.com>,
>>>>>  Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:56:15 GMT, Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:27:13 GMT, Dale Stanbrough wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Your problem is...you are using an iMac. Get a better computer.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Wow you are -so- good at diagnosing computer problems. Wow!
>>>>>>>> Boy! Sheesh! Amazing!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Dale
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You forgot to bow, you lowly ingrate.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> LOL. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> your "e-mail address" says it all, dipweed!  Go home to momma.  Be sure 
>>>>> and tell her what bully's we are.
>>>> 
>>>> Bully's??
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yeah, you know the little bully who gets the crap kicked out of him and 
>>> he runs home to mamma.  He tells her lies about us bullying him and 
>>> picking on him when we all know it's the other way round.
>> 
>> Fuck off, Chris, 2600 is no match for you !
> 
> I knew it!  What a bunch of little twits!  All you know how to do is 
> play games.  Can you add 1 plus 1?  I doubt it as you waste your lives 
> playing stupid pointless games.
> 
> For your lovely language you lose your Internet provider.  They don't 
> like you.  Bye, have a nice life!

Again, fuck off, asshole, mofo, dirtbag, George Lazenby !
( That strong enough language for you ?)
If you don't like it, use your killfiles, dickface !
You know what KF's are, don't you.....
Jesus...you are a complete retard, you know !
-- 
Hans van Eynsbergen
Rotterdam is http://tinyurl.com/xpkv
And as a finishing touch, God created the Dutch.
Ask me why and I'll spit in your eye.

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:54:38 +0000 (UTC), someone posing as Adrian chisled
in the wall:

> Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
> 
>> Heh heh. MS bailed their ass out years ago by agreeing to port MS
>> office to mac and this is the gratitude they get. 
> 
> The porting went both ways I suppose, since both Word and Excel started
> out on the Mac before a a PC version even existed.

Not exactly true...

1. Excel had been started as a DOS product in early '83 as an update to
Muliplan. It was originally called Odyssey.  By march '84, however Gates
realized Kapoor had the PC market locked with Lotus 123 and Lotus Jazz.
Therefore, he directed his lead programmer, to dump Excel/DOS and focus
100% on Excel for the forthcoming Mac/512. Most of what ended up in Excel
1.0 for the Macintosh had been written already for DOS.  

2. Word 1.0 for the PC was released on 11/15/83 and sold for $475 with a
mouse or $375 without.  Word 1.0 for the Macintosh came out in January '85
and was quickly supplanted by word 3.0 for the Mac. 

Finally Mac users could print more than nine pages. :)

HTH

-- 
k
-- 
kai - filesiteguy at yahoo dot com
www.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org
"i believe in what i'm doing but what is it i'm doing here?"

Rev Turd Fredericks wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 09:13:58 GMT, catchmerevisited
> <catchmerevisited2004@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Rev.A iMac (Bondi), O/S 9.2.2, usb keyboard: macally ikey
>>USB drivers 1.5.6 apple standard install
>>problem: keyboard intermittently fails to send keypresses, forcing a restart
>>via mouse to temporarily correct.
>>after testing all the connections etc., ran apple system profile, scanned
>>devices and volumes and did a usb report (show usb alerts and events).
>>lines 32.x reports unable to locate device descriptors; this appears to be
>>the keyboard isn't reporting its function?
>>line 1.851 and lines 34.x are also interesting?
>>
>>if anybody can lend me their qualified attention, and advise me of the
>>nature of this problem?
>>I am guessing it *may* be the keyboard itself, but have doubts b/c it is
>>brand new, and I have had no prob's w/ macally previously.
> 
> 

been there with macally keyboard -
replace it all will be better

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:54:38 +0000 (UTC), nonesuch@place.com (Adrian)
wrote:

>Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm sure it is, but not for me, that was over and done with over 25
>> years ago. Although if you were really an adult you would be using an
>> adult computer.  I am sure that when you "come to terms", get a job
>> and move out into the real world you will have to learn how to use a
>> real computer, one with a multi-button mouse rather than a one button
>> extra large playschool mouse.
>
>I am genuinely surprised to learn that you are over the age of 15.
>Please accept my apologies for this slur on your adulthood. However,
>given the uninformed nonsense you spout, it was an easy mistake to make.
>Your posts seem to imply that you might be frightened of something,
>perhaps. You are clearly not happy.

Uninformed nonsense? prove it wrong.
>
>Do you have a mouse detection system built into your Usenet news reader?

Yes, and it tells me you have a cyclopian mouse attached to your mac.

>If not, I can't imagine how you can tell how many buttons my computer's
>mouse has. Maybe you didn't know that Mac users have had the option to
>use fully functional multi button mice for at least 10 years. 
But few of them use one.
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,39773,00.html

>Showing no
>particular prejudice I rather like my Microsoft branded optical wheel
>mouse for my Mac (3 buttons, 1 wheel). I also own a Windows PC, use
>Windows and Mac in the work situation, and own older Apple hardware (I
>had an installation of Linux on a PPC9600) as well as my current dual
>processor G5. 
Gee, how much did you pay for that? Seems like such a waste of money
since you can't really run much software with it.

>All these are real computers, all have their pros and
>cons. My preference 95 percent of the time happens to be for the
>Macintosh. What on earth has this preference got to do with you? Why
>should you care?
Yeah, as I always say, use the best tool for the job. So far though, I
have not seen a single thing that a mac could do that a proper
computer can't. 

>
>Go on, prove that you are more than a troll - give me a reasoned
>argument to support your point of view. Alternatively, keep on with your
>current approach and guarantee a place in the kill file, whence peace
>will be restored! Smile, and the world may just smile with you!
That's fine mr ostrich, killfile me, that's your prerogative. But I
leave you with just a few of the reason's I don't like macs, and why I
avoid them at all costs.

1) Macs are way over priced and underpowered
2) they are costly to fix
3) both hardware and OS are proprietary which means you must depend on
the notoriously fickle Apple corp for virtually everything from
security patches to processors.
4) lack of viable software, what software is available is very costly
and unstable. Because there is virtually no competition there is no
motivation for software companies to improve their software when users
experience problems. Instead they release an "upgrade" which they
charge you for but is really just a patch for what they did wrong in
the first place. Ever wonder why photoshop is much more stable on
windows than mac?  
5) frequent crashes and lockups, perhaps due to shoddy memory
management and/or poor proprietary software 
6) poor security: security through obscurity is the worst possible
security model there is. That is Apple's philosophy, says so right on
their web page. It takes them months after publicized security flaws
to fix those flaws. This makes Apple totally unsuitable for a server
platform and just as unsuitable for an "always on" desktop.
7)  one button mouse. You say there are multibutton mice but I have
yet to see one attached to an actual mac. Aside from the constant
lockups this is the most annoying "feature" that macs have. 

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:55:18 GMT, Chris <none@none.none> wrote:

>In article <419ca140$1$14478$ba620dc5@nova.planet.nl>,
> Hans van Eynsbergen <Hans@NOSPAMhvane.cotse.net> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:01:02 GMT, Chris surprised everyone on Usenet by
>> scribbling:
>> 
>> > In article <1smi6i5053fuc.dlg@icepick.org>,
>> >  Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
>> > 
>> >> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:33:45 GMT, Chris wrote:
>> >> 
>> >>> In article <i33mp0p8kgu83gt26ufufpvgkd3otrga85@4ax.com>,
>> >>>  Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
>> >>> 
>> >>>> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:56:15 GMT, Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
>> >>>> 
>> >>>>>On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:27:13 GMT, Dale Stanbrough wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>> Your problem is...you are using an iMac. Get a better computer.
>> >>>>>> 
>> >>>>>> Wow you are -so- good at diagnosing computer problems. Wow!
>> >>>>>> Boy! Sheesh! Amazing!
>> >>>>>> 
>> >>>>>> Dale
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>You forgot to bow, you lowly ingrate.
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> LOL. 
>> >>> 
>> >>> your "e-mail address" says it all, dipweed!  Go home to momma.  Be sure 
>> >>> and tell her what bully's we are.
>> >> 
>> >> Bully's??
>> >> 
>> > 
>> > Yeah, you know the little bully who gets the crap kicked out of him and 
>> > he runs home to mamma.  He tells her lies about us bullying him and 
>> > picking on him when we all know it's the other way round.
>> 
>> Fuck off, Chris, 2600 is no match for you !
>
>
>
>I knew it!  What a bunch of little twits!  All you know how to do is 
>play games.  Can you add 1 plus 1?  I doubt it as you waste your lives 
>playing stupid pointless games.
>
>For your lovely language you lose your Internet provider.  They don't 
>like you.  Bye, have a nice life!

Go fuck yourslef, pigfucking netkop. I fart in your general direction.

>> Go on, prove that you are more than a troll - give me a reasoned
>> argument to support your point of view. Alternatively, keep on with your
>> current approach and guarantee a place in the kill file, whence peace
>> will be restored! Smile, and the world may just smile with you!
> That's fine mr ostrich, killfile me, that's your prerogative. But I
> leave you with just a few of the reason's I don't like macs, and why I
> avoid them at all costs.
> 
> 1) Macs are way over priced and underpowered
I'd hardly call 64 bit dual G5 processors underpowered.  And the iMacs are
not overpriced.  Where else can you get a top-quality 20" LCD and 64 bit
computer setup with quality components and stylish design to beat that
price?  You could probably build something yourself out of shit parts, but
you get the lack of reliability that comes with it.

> 2) they are costly to fix
Buy an extended warranty and a surge protector.  And they rarely break
anyway.

> 3) both hardware and OS are proprietary which means you must depend on
> the notoriously fickle Apple corp for virtually everything from
> security patches to processors.
Not much different to MS, except MS takes even longer because of all the
extra hardware it has to support.  And has all the bloat that comes with
supporting all the yum-cha crap that is out there.

> 4) lack of viable software, what software is available is very costly
> and unstable. Because there is virtually no competition there is no
> motivation for software companies to improve their software when users
> experience problems. Instead they release an "upgrade" which they
> charge you for but is really just a patch for what they did wrong in
> the first place. Ever wonder why photoshop is much more stable on
> windows than mac?
Haven't had problems with any of the mainstream products that I run on my
G5.  I crash maybe once or twice a year, and my uptimes are measured in
months, not hours. 

> 5) frequent crashes and lockups, perhaps due to shoddy memory
> management and/or poor proprietary software
Maybe in MacOS 9.  MacOS X has a full protected memory system.

> 6) poor security: security through obscurity is the worst possible
> security model there is. That is Apple's philosophy, says so right on
> their web page. It takes them months after publicized security flaws
> to fix those flaws. This makes Apple totally unsuitable for a server
> platform and just as unsuitable for an "always on" desktop.
No ports open to hack by default, and built in firewall, unix security, heck
a virus would have to ask for your password before it can infect you.  My
computer is fully open to hackers and viruses and I have never actually had
one succeed in attacking me.

> 7)  one button mouse. You say there are multibutton mice but I have
> yet to see one attached to an actual mac. Aside from the constant
> lockups this is the most annoying "feature" that macs have.
I agree with you that 1 button mice do suck, the first thing I bought with
my G5 was a 3 button Logitech mouse, which worked perfectly without the
Logitech drivers, although I did install them for some extra features.  1
button mice are more simple for the grannies though ;)

For the record I use both mac and PC at home, I have a dual 1.8G5, and a
3Ghz Pentium 4 that I built myself out of the best brands, neither have
crashed since I bought/built them, XP is the best MS OS so far that I have
seen, but it still has a very long way to go compared to MacOS X, especially
in ease of networking.  The amount of headaches setting up wireless networks
with XP is ridiculous!
I like the PC hardware almost as much as I like the mac hardware, but the OS
on PCs leaves a lot to be desired.  And Linux is not a viable alternative
(yet) for most people despite what many may think.

Anyways that's my $0.02 + GST.

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:25:59 +1100, Ribfeast <goaway@nospam.com>
wrote:

>>> Go on, prove that you are more than a troll - give me a reasoned
>>> argument to support your point of view. Alternatively, keep on with your
>>> current approach and guarantee a place in the kill file, whence peace
>>> will be restored! Smile, and the world may just smile with you!
>> That's fine mr ostrich, killfile me, that's your prerogative. But I
>> leave you with just a few of the reason's I don't like macs, and why I
>> avoid them at all costs.
>> 
>> 1) Macs are way over priced and underpowered
>I'd hardly call 64 bit dual G5 processors underpowered.  And the iMacs are
>not overpriced.  Where else can you get a top-quality 20" LCD and 64 bit
>computer setup with quality components and stylish design to beat that
>price?  You could probably build something yourself out of shit parts, but
>you get the lack of reliability that comes with it.

That's the key, build yourself but with *good* parts and put a free OS
on it and you are free from the monopolists.

If I could say something I like about Apple it is that giant LCD
screens they sell, very nice, but still very expensive. I could get a
22" LCD TV for less, but it probably wouldn't be as good. They are
selling them where I work for $2300 US (last time I checked)

>
>> 2) they are costly to fix
>Buy an extended warranty and a surge protector.  And they rarely break
>anyway.
I have yet to see a mac older than 2 years that isn't either broken or
trashed. Both my regular use PC's are 5 year old PIII's although I do
upgrade them from time to time (more memory updated vid cards etc.).

>
>> 3) both hardware and OS are proprietary which means you must depend on
>> the notoriously fickle Apple corp for virtually everything from
>> security patches to processors.
>Not much different to MS, except MS takes even longer because of all the
>extra hardware it has to support.  And has all the bloat that comes with
>supporting all the yum-cha crap that is out there.
MS releases updates almost weekly (that can be considered either good
OR bad, but at least the updates are free and reasonably timely). You
can delete the bloat of uneeded drivers etc. but they are handy if you
are like me and contantly add or remove stuff from your boxes. 
>
>> 4) lack of viable software, what software is available is very costly
>> and unstable. Because there is virtually no competition there is no
>> motivation for software companies to improve their software when users
>> experience problems. Instead they release an "upgrade" which they
>> charge you for but is really just a patch for what they did wrong in
>> the first place. Ever wonder why photoshop is much more stable on
>> windows than mac?
>Haven't had problems with any of the mainstream products that I run on my
>G5.  I crash maybe once or twice a year, and my uptimes are measured in
>months, not hours. 

I must admit I don't have much experience with G5's, my work gave up
on macs a long time ago and there are only a few holdouts . They of
course also have PC's because the macs always break or don't run much
other than word processing apps and spreadsheets.

>
>> 5) frequent crashes and lockups, perhaps due to shoddy memory
>> management and/or poor proprietary software
>Maybe in MacOS 9.  MacOS X has a full protected memory system.

OSX seems pretty decent, but the mac users I know don't really know
how to use it, and run in compatibility mode or whatever it's called
so they can run the old programs.

>
>> 6) poor security: security through obscurity is the worst possible
>> security model there is. That is Apple's philosophy, says so right on
>> their web page. It takes them months after publicized security flaws
>> to fix those flaws. This makes Apple totally unsuitable for a server
>> platform and just as unsuitable for an "always on" desktop.

>No ports open to hack by default, and built in firewall, unix security, heck
>a virus would have to ask for your password before it can infect you.  My
>computer is fully open to hackers and viruses and I have never actually had
>one succeed in attacking me.

 Probably because you are in such a minority (in that you are running
a mac) that you just haven't been found. That is security by
obscurity. If you don't have a fully patched system, and that's
provided Apple has bothered to issue a patch, you are vulnerable to a
number of nasty exploits.

No ports open is good, that is one thing I wish windows would do out
of the box, instead you have to close them manually. 

>
>> 7)  one button mouse. You say there are multibutton mice but I have
>> yet to see one attached to an actual mac. Aside from the constant
>> lockups this is the most annoying "feature" that macs have.
>I agree with you that 1 button mice do suck, the first thing I bought with
>my G5 was a 3 button Logitech mouse, which worked perfectly without the
>Logitech drivers, although I did install them for some extra features.  1
>button mice are more simple for the grannies though ;)

Heh, and children :-) At least you have the option for multibuttons so
that is a step in the right direction, how much of the software
supports multibutton?

>
>For the record I use both mac and PC at home, I have a dual 1.8G5, and a
>3Ghz Pentium 4 that I built myself out of the best brands, neither have
>crashed since I bought/built them, XP is the best MS OS so far that I have
>seen, but it still has a very long way to go compared to MacOS X, especially
>in ease of networking.  The amount of headaches setting up wireless networks
>with XP is ridiculous!
>I like the PC hardware almost as much as I like the mac hardware, but the OS
>on PCs leaves a lot to be desired.  And Linux is not a viable alternative
>(yet) for most people despite what many may think.

I'm not a big fan of XP, but it is vey stable, I rebooted my work
machine today for the first time since I installed service pack 2  and
I don't honestly remember when that was. I only rebooted because I
wanted to try knoppix. 

>Anyways that's my $0.02 + GST.
Canadian eh?

Someone posing as Rev Turd Fredericks scratched on the wall:


>>> 1) Macs are way over priced and underpowered
>>I'd hardly call 64 bit dual G5 processors underpowered.  And the iMacs are
>>not overpriced.

Hahahahahaha!!!

Ribfeed - open your eyes, you've been getting screwed!

>>Where else can you get a top-quality 20" LCD and 64 bit 
>>computer setup with quality components and stylish design to beat that
>>price?>>You could probably build something yourself out of shit parts, but 
>>you get the lack of reliability that comes with it.

Ever since around the '80s, PC components have been a commodity. AFAIK,
there are only two manufacturers for LCD monitors. If you buy one from
Apple, Dell, Toshiba, whatever, it comes from the same place. Your chipset
is from one of a few manufacturers, too. PC's - regardless of whether
they're built for Apple, Dell, IBM, or any of the thousands of Chinese
shops here where I live are from the same parts.

The only difference is that Apple has always charged a premium, because
peeps like you and that idiot Chris still get sucked into it.

Its not as if I don't know this from experience - I've bent over for the
great Apple several times. I've had a IIe, SE, LC, and even a Performa.
Unfortunately from System 7 on, the OS was crap.  

It was so bad, my mother even switched about three years ago from the Mac
platform and went cold-turkey into Windows 2000. I'm about to switch her
over to Linux.


> 
> That's the key, build yourself but with *good* parts and put a free OS
> on it and you are free from the monopolists.

Exactly!!  Rev does what I do.


>>
>>For the record I use both mac and PC at home, I have a dual 1.8G5, and a
>>3Ghz Pentium 4 that I built myself out of the best brands, neither have
>>crashed since I bought/built them, XP is the best MS OS so far that I have
>>seen,

haven't sen much, have you?  NT 5.1 is probably the worst OS since System 7.
About as reliable, too.

>>but it still has a very long way to go compared to MacOS X, 
>>especially
>>in ease of networking.

Yeah, if my machine only did AppleTalk out of a little circle SCSI port, I'd
have a pretty easy time, too.


>>I like the PC hardware almost as much as I like the mac hardware, but the
>>OS
>>on PCs leaves a lot to be desired.  And Linux is not a viable alternative
>>(yet) for most people despite what many may think.

The only thing that makes Apple OS's nice is that they boot the system from
ROM. Since the propeller-heads at Apple only have to write for a small list
of specifications, they should be able to spend more time making it stable.
I haven't used System 10 yet, but from what I've seen on my father-in-law's
eMac it is basically an Apple-flavored Linux.

Maybe they'll finally do something good with it.

> 
> I'm not a big fan of XP, but it is vey stable, I rebooted my work
> machine today for the first time since I installed service pack 2  and
> I don't honestly remember when that was. I only rebooted because I
> wanted to try knoppix.

Heh, I'm suprised you get that kind of stability, Rev. I've only seen issues
at work with our Dell machines running XP. 



-- 
kai
"friends don't let friends use windows xp"

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:21:41 GMT, Iceman surprised everyone on Usenet by
scribbling:

> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:16:22 +0100, Hans van Eynsbergen wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:55:18 GMT, Chris surprised everyone on Usenet by
>> scribbling:
>> 
>>> In article <419ca140$1$14478$ba620dc5@nova.planet.nl>,
>>>  Hans van Eynsbergen <Hans@NOSPAMhvane.cotse.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:01:02 GMT, Chris surprised everyone on Usenet by
>>>> scribbling:
>>>> 
>>>>> In article <1smi6i5053fuc.dlg@icepick.org>,
>>>>>  Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:33:45 GMT, Chris wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In article <i33mp0p8kgu83gt26ufufpvgkd3otrga85@4ax.com>,
>>>>>>>  Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:56:15 GMT, Iceman <1c3m4n@chi-mafia.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:27:13 GMT, Dale Stanbrough wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Your problem is...you are using an iMac. Get a better computer.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Wow you are -so- good at diagnosing computer problems. Wow!
>>>>>>>>>> Boy! Sheesh! Amazing!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Dale
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You forgot to bow, you lowly ingrate.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> LOL. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> your "e-mail address" says it all, dipweed!  Go home to momma.  Be sure 
>>>>>>> and tell her what bully's we are.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bully's??
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yeah, you know the little bully who gets the crap kicked out of him and 
>>>>> he runs home to mamma.  He tells her lies about us bullying him and 
>>>>> picking on him when we all know it's the other way round.
>>>> 
>>>> Fuck off, Chris, 2600 is no match for you !
>>> 
>>> I knew it!  What a bunch of little twits!  All you know how to do is 
>>> play games.  Can you add 1 plus 1?  I doubt it as you waste your lives 
>>> playing stupid pointless games.
>>> 
>>> For your lovely language you lose your Internet provider.  They don't 
>>> like you.  Bye, have a nice life!
>> 
>> Again, fuck off, asshole, mofo, dirtbag, George Lazenby !
>> ( That strong enough language for you ?)
>> If you don't like it, use your killfiles, dickface !
>> You know what KF's are, don't you.....
>> Jesus...you are a complete retard, you know !
> 
> LOL, the kid never learns, Hans.
> Poor shithead has nothing left, not that there was anything there in the
> first place.
> 
> Chrissy's mommy only lets him play on the Mac every once in a while.

He must be a frustrated little shit screaming for a little attention...
Well, he certainly found THAT in here !
Bwahahahhahaaaaaaaaaa !
-- 
Hans van Eynsbergen
Rotterdam is http://tinyurl.com/xpkv
And as a finishing touch, God created the Dutch.
Ask me why and I'll spit in your eye.

Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:

> Uninformed nonsense? prove it wrong.

Yes, most of what you say about the Mac is plainly uninformed and simply
wrong. It is of no value whatsoever for me to refute your erroneous
comments, as has been evidenced from your response to my previous post.
My main point, however, which I will make again, is simply this: why
does it matter to you whether someone else chooses to use a Macintosh
computer? Think hard on that.

I could give plenty of examples of disastrous computer experiences of
people who use systems and software other than Macintosh, but it will be
of no interest to you ... and why should it be? You know how to use the
computer you have, and are satisfied with its price and performance ...
excellent. Good luck to you. I am not remotely interested in trying to
persuade you otherwise. I would like you to treat others in the same
way.

Having read other parts of this thread, I see that there is no hope of
that happening, as you appear to get some kind of kick out of trying to
provoke others. Please don't trouble yourself to reply to this post (if
expecting a contribution from me, at least) as I am now taking leave of
this *discussion* and will not be reading, or posting any more to it.

Take it easy,

-- 
Adrian

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:50:48 +0000 (UTC), nonesuch@place.com (Adrian)
wrote:

>Rev Turd Fredericks <nick_ballsack@forcedshaving.com> wrote:
>
>> Uninformed nonsense? prove it wrong.
>
>Yes, most of what you say about the Mac is plainly uninformed and simply
>wrong. It is of no value whatsoever for me to refute your erroneous
>comments, as has been evidenced from your response to my previous post.
>My main point, however, which I will make again, is simply this: why
>does it matter to you whether someone else chooses to use a Macintosh
>computer? Think hard on that.
I really don't care what you use, it makes no difference to me. But if
you followed this thread from the begining, you can plainly see that I
made a one line comment to something posted in the group I frequent (I
really didn't think anyone would have bothered to create a mac group)
and all of a sudden a bunch of mac lusers started attacking me. I have
merely clarified my position. So far there has been nobody able to
refute what I have said, so it satnds. Your friend Chris seems to like
personal attacks, he has issues that, although I find them rather
amusing I don't think I can help him with them as they are not
computer related (or they may be judging from the responses your group
has offered)
>
>I could give plenty of examples of disastrous computer experiences of
>people who use systems and software other than Macintosh, but it will be
>of no interest to you ... and why should it be? You know how to use the
>computer you have, and are satisfied with its price and performance ...
>excellent. Good luck to you. I am not remotely interested in trying to
>persuade you otherwise. I would like you to treat others in the same
>way.
That's just peachy. You may want to talk to your friend Chris about
that.
>
>Having read other parts of this thread, I see that there is no hope of
>that happening, as you appear to get some kind of kick out of trying to
>provoke others. Please don't trouble yourself to reply to this post (if
>expecting a contribution from me, at least) as I am now taking leave of
>this *discussion* and will not be reading, or posting any more to it.

No problem. You won't be missed.

>
>Take it easy,
That is my middle name. It's been a slow week.