🚀 go-pugleaf

Te felicito por haber entendido lo que quiso decir el pañuelo. Yo no lo entendí hasta que no leí tu explicación. Ahora está claro lo que quiso decir.
(pero confundir "agua helada a 0 grados" con "hielo a 0 grados" es pasarse de piola).
Juan
PS: Mucho mas fácil hubiera sido descifrarlo al pañuelo si escribiera un idioma conocido, como mandarín o sánscrito, o incluso inglés o castellano. 

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<T.Schmidt.Teddy@gmail.com> wrote in message news:_YWdne8-uvoaDXzRnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Hay un problema de castellano, frecuentemente uno dice "agua helada" a 0º C 
> y significa agua a 0º C. Pero uno dice "agua congelada" a 0º C y entonces 
> signfica "hielo" a 0º C.
> El error es que helada se usa a menduo como sinónimo de muy frío, pero no 
> indica el estado sólido.
> 
> Al final de cuentas, la física del problema se redue a una línea
> calor ganado = calor perdido
> que nos de una ecuacion lineal en una incógnita (la temperatura final de la 
> mezcla).
> El resto es algebra elemental: cómo resolver la ecuación.
> 
> Tambien puedes olvidarte del hielo y hacer el calculo como antes. Y entonces 
> al final tomas en consideración las 8000 calorias de fusion del hielo 
> [100*79.06 exactamente]  en los 200 gramos de agua a 50º C.
> 8.000 calorias en 200 gramos correponde a una disminucion de 40 ºC en la 
> temperatura de la mezcla.
> Entonces la solución final es 50 - 40 = 10 º  C
> 
> T.Schmidt
> Muy a menudo el procedimiento es correcto pero hay errores en los cálculos, 
> lo cual es muy irritante, porque la ciencia no perdona.
> 
> "Espanuelo" <espanuelo@senseterra.com> wrote in message 
> news:8kdbq7F9mvU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Espanuelo wrote:
>>> T.Schmidt.Teddy@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Verdad que eres ignorante. Lo que dijiste es que el sistema evoluciona 
>>>> al
>>>> nivel mas del componente mas bajo
>>>> Si pones whiskey y agua con hielo, el sistema se equilibra con agua y
>>>> whiskey frios y menos hielo. ¿Por que no se vuelve todo hielo?
>>>>
>>>> La temperatura del espacio sideral es - 270ºC. Sin embargo el Sol existe
>>>> desde la creacion del mundo y sigue caliente a +6.000º C. ¿Por que no
>>>> se ha
>>>> enfriado aunque sea un poco, si han pasado mas de seis mil años?
>>>>
>>>> Finalmente si mezclas 100 gramos de agua hirviendo con 100 gramos de 
>>>> agua
>>>> helada a 0º C, lo que queda es agua a 50º C, en este caso, exactamente 
>>>> la
>>>> temperatura promedio entre 100 y 0 ºC
>>>
>>> The 200 grams of water will stay to 90º C.
>>>
>>  There are a mistake, it have been the sign minus.
>>
>>   Well, final temperature 10ºC
>>
>>  f = heat of fusion of the water, 80 (79,06) calories.
>>
>>  fm + m(t1+t) = m(t2-t),  t1=0, t2=100, m=100,
>>
>>  80x100 + 100t = 100x100 -100t; 200t = 10000-8000;
>>   t = 2000/200 = 10
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> La entropia va ligada con la Segunda Ley. Entropia no es mas que
>>>> Informacion. Busca como se mide la entropia en sistemas sociopoliticos.
>>>> ¿Cual es la temperatura de una democracia y cual la de una dictadura?
>>>>
>>>> T.Schmidt
>>>> P.S. La vida consiste simpremente en maquinas de entropia negativa: se
>>>> organizan solitos.
>>>> P.S. Busquen lo que es caso y por que del caos surge el orden.
>>>> P.S. Hay mucho mas, esto es solo para ponerlos a pensar.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Espanuelo"<espanuelo@senseterra.c.
>>>> om> wrote in message news:8k5ne2Fv72U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> T.Schmidt.Teddy@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Not true, your thermo is incorrect. Go get an education.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> T.Schmidt
>>>>>>
>>>>> "The second law of thermodynamics is an expression of the finding that
>>>>> over time, differences in temperature, pressure, and chemical potential
>>>>> tend to equilibrate in an isolated physical system. It explains the
>>>>> phenomenon of irreversibility in nature. The second law may be 
>>>>> expressed
>>>>> in many specific ways, but the first formulation is credited to the
>>>>> German
>>>>> scientist Rudolf Clausius.
>>>>>
>>>>> In classical thermodynamics, the second law is a basic postulate
>>>>> applicable to any system involving measurable heat transfer, while in
>>>>> statistical thermodynamics, the second law is a consequence of the
>>>>> fundamental postulate which assumes that all accessible states of an
>>>>> isolated system are a priori (equally likely). In classical
>>>>> thermodynamics, the second law defines the concept of thermodynamic
>>>>> entropy while in statistical mechanics, entropy is defined to be
>>>>> proportional to the logarithm of the number of accessible states."
>>>>>
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics
>>>>>
>>>>> Apply this second principle to a system (culture, civilization, epoch,
>>>>> Fifth World (Colombia, Venezuela, Equatorial Africa), First World
>>>>> (Canada), ....)
>>>>>
>>>>> Remember this word: IRREVERSIBILITY.
>>>>>
>>>>> Colombia ----> Canada (No)
>>>>> Canada ------> Colombia (No)
>>>>>
>>>>> The different systems must be isolated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Salutations.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Espanuelo"<espanuelo@senseterra.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:8k2r7tF6euU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>> Robert not Roberto wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Sam Spade"<sam@coldmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:5-ydnUXBjNRmXEfRnZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>>>>> Jose wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> KHAS-TV -
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sara Lee has sold it's bakery unit to a Mexican company to the 
>>>>>>>>>> tune
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> $959 million. Grupo Bimbo, Mexico's largest food company bought 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> fresh baked goods division which includes 41 U.S. plants.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Sara Lee Bakery in Hastings is part of the deal.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Along with Nebraska's 2 other Sara Lee facilities in South Sioux
>>>>>>>>>> City
>>>>>>>>>> and Omaha.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A Sara Lee spokeswoman said Grupo Bimbo has no immediate plans to
>>>>>>>>>> shut
>>>>>>>>>> down any of the facilities.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Grupo Bimbo said it will invest a billion dollars in the U.S. over
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> next five years to add bakeries, upgrade existing plants and make
>>>>>>>>>> other improvements.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.khastv.com/news/local/Sara-Lee-selsl-facility-to-Mexican-company-107008648.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Time to stop eating any Sare Lee products.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As long as Grupo Bimbo does not hire illegal aliens to work in these
>>>>>>>> bakeries located in the US and they follow all the laws they are
>>>>>>>> subject
>>>>>>>> to,
>>>>>>>> I'm missing why there is a problem. A lot of foreign companies have
>>>>>>>> purchased US companies and a lot of US companies have purchased
>>>>>>>> foreign
>>>>>>>> companies. It's called globalization. Get use to it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not, globalization is bad and false.
>>>>>>> Bear in mind the second principle of thermodynamics.
>>>>>>> Five systems with different levels if they are united, they will 
>>>>>>> reach
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> level of the lowest.
>>>>>>> The systems must be separated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> 
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