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En ciencia uno debe ser muy preciso, aun asi existe muchas cosas que 
confunden por no decir claramente de que hablan. Los gringos acostumbran 
cambiar el significado de las palabars, patriota se convierte en Insurgente, 
paramilitar se convierte en Freedom Fighter, pais amigo del Imperio se 
convierte en Democracia.

En ingles hay un gran problema en matematicas, la palabra "field" pero es 
facil de explicar. Un field es un conjunto con dos operaciones y unos tres o 
cuatro axiomas. Pero tambien exiten los "fields of force" y "temperature 
fields" (los field of force los ves en las peliculas de Star Trek, los 
temperature fields los ves en los mapas de temperatura). Para un gringo 
joven darse cuenta que el field algebraico es lo que llamamos n�meros y sus 
generalizaciones. El otro es una funcion definida sobre un espacio (cuyos 
elementos  generalmente se llaman puntos).

T.Schmidt
P.S. Si tiene inclinacion a la ciencia, leete los libros de Roger Penrose. 
Si quiere ser econ�mico, l�ete Einteisn Theory of Realtivity, por el abuelo 
de Olivia Newon John (fue contemproaneo y amigo de Einstein, Olivia nacio en 
Cambridge. En Maracaibo hay un ingeniero petrolero hijo de un famoso 
matem�tico ingles que debe haberla conocido de ni�a. El otro dia me lo 
encontre de vista en Calgary)


"Juan Moreira" <Juan@salta.ar> wrote in message 
news:WdsEo.13039$8m.7283@newsfe09.iad...
Te felicito por haber entendido lo que quiso decir el pa�uelo. Yo no lo 
entend� hasta que no le� tu explicaci�n. Ahora est� claro lo que quiso 
decir.
(pero confundir "agua helada a 0 grados" con "hielo a 0 grados" es pasarse 
de piola).
Juan
PS: Mucho mas f�cil hubiera sido descifrarlo al pa�uelo si escribiera un 
idioma conocido, como mandar�n o s�nscrito, o incluso ingl�s o castellano.

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<T.Schmidt.Teddy@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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> Hay un problema de castellano, frecuentemente uno dice "agua helada" a 0� 
> C
> y significa agua a 0� C. Pero uno dice "agua congelada" a 0� C y entonces
> signfica "hielo" a 0� C.
> El error es que helada se usa a menduo como sin�nimo de muy fr�o, pero no
> indica el estado s�lido.
>
> Al final de cuentas, la f�sica del problema se redue a una l�nea
> calor ganado = calor perdido
> que nos de una ecuacion lineal en una inc�gnita (la temperatura final de 
> la
> mezcla).
> El resto es algebra elemental: c�mo resolver la ecuaci�n.
>
> Tambien puedes olvidarte del hielo y hacer el calculo como antes. Y 
> entonces
> al final tomas en consideraci�n las 8000 calorias de fusion del hielo
> [100*79.06 exactamente]  en los 200 gramos de agua a 50� C.
> 8.000 calorias en 200 gramos correponde a una disminucion de 40 �C en la
> temperatura de la mezcla.
> Entonces la soluci�n final es 50 - 40 = 10 �  C
>
> T.Schmidt
> Muy a menudo el procedimiento es correcto pero hay errores en los 
> c�lculos,
> lo cual es muy irritante, porque la ciencia no perdona.
>
> "Espanuelo" <espanuelo@senseterra.com> wrote in message
> news:8kdbq7F9mvU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Espanuelo wrote:
>>> T.Schmidt.Teddy@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Verdad que eres ignorante. Lo que dijiste es que el sistema evoluciona
>>>> al
>>>> nivel mas del componente mas bajo
>>>> Si pones whiskey y agua con hielo, el sistema se equilibra con agua y
>>>> whiskey frios y menos hielo. �Por que no se vuelve todo hielo?
>>>>
>>>> La temperatura del espacio sideral es - 270�C. Sin embargo el Sol 
>>>> existe
>>>> desde la creacion del mundo y sigue caliente a +6.000� C. �Por que no
>>>> se ha
>>>> enfriado aunque sea un poco, si han pasado mas de seis mil a�os?
>>>>
>>>> Finalmente si mezclas 100 gramos de agua hirviendo con 100 gramos de
>>>> agua
>>>> helada a 0� C, lo que queda es agua a 50� C, en este caso, exactamente
>>>> la
>>>> temperatura promedio entre 100 y 0 �C
>>>
>>> The 200 grams of water will stay to 90� C.
>>>
>>  There are a mistake, it have been the sign minus.
>>
>>   Well, final temperature 10�C
>>
>>  f = heat of fusion of the water, 80 (79,06) calories.
>>
>>  fm + m(t1+t) = m(t2-t),  t1=0, t2=100, m=100,
>>
>>  80x100 + 100t = 100x100 -100t; 200t = 10000-8000;
>>   t = 2000/200 = 10
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> La entropia va ligada con la Segunda Ley. Entropia no es mas que
>>>> Informacion. Busca como se mide la entropia en sistemas sociopoliticos.
>>>> �Cual es la temperatura de una democracia y cual la de una dictadura?
>>>>
>>>> T.Schmidt
>>>> P.S. La vida consiste simpremente en maquinas de entropia negativa: se
>>>> organizan solitos.
>>>> P.S. Busquen lo que es caso y por que del caos surge el orden.
>>>> P.S. Hay mucho mas, esto es solo para ponerlos a pensar.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Espanuelo"<espanuelo@senseterra.c.
>>>> om> wrote in message news:8k5ne2Fv72U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> T.Schmidt.Teddy@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Not true, your thermo is incorrect. Go get an education.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> T.Schmidt
>>>>>>
>>>>> "The second law of thermodynamics is an expression of the finding that
>>>>> over time, differences in temperature, pressure, and chemical 
>>>>> potential
>>>>> tend to equilibrate in an isolated physical system. It explains the
>>>>> phenomenon of irreversibility in nature. The second law may be
>>>>> expressed
>>>>> in many specific ways, but the first formulation is credited to the
>>>>> German
>>>>> scientist Rudolf Clausius.
>>>>>
>>>>> In classical thermodynamics, the second law is a basic postulate
>>>>> applicable to any system involving measurable heat transfer, while in
>>>>> statistical thermodynamics, the second law is a consequence of the
>>>>> fundamental postulate which assumes that all accessible states of an
>>>>> isolated system are a priori (equally likely). In classical
>>>>> thermodynamics, the second law defines the concept of thermodynamic
>>>>> entropy while in statistical mechanics, entropy is defined to be
>>>>> proportional to the logarithm of the number of accessible states."
>>>>>
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics
>>>>>
>>>>> Apply this second principle to a system (culture, civilization, epoch,
>>>>> Fifth World (Colombia, Venezuela, Equatorial Africa), First World
>>>>> (Canada), ....)
>>>>>
>>>>> Remember this word: IRREVERSIBILITY.
>>>>>
>>>>> Colombia ----> Canada (No)
>>>>> Canada ------> Colombia (No)
>>>>>
>>>>> The different systems must be isolated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Salutations.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Espanuelo"<espanuelo@senseterra.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:8k2r7tF6euU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>> Robert not Roberto wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Sam Spade"<sam@coldmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:5-ydnUXBjNRmXEfRnZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>>>>> Jose wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> KHAS-TV -
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sara Lee has sold it's bakery unit to a Mexican company to the
>>>>>>>>>> tune
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> $959 million. Grupo Bimbo, Mexico's largest food company bought
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> fresh baked goods division which includes 41 U.S. plants.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Sara Lee Bakery in Hastings is part of the deal.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Along with Nebraska's 2 other Sara Lee facilities in South Sioux
>>>>>>>>>> City
>>>>>>>>>> and Omaha.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A Sara Lee spokeswoman said Grupo Bimbo has no immediate plans to
>>>>>>>>>> shut
>>>>>>>>>> down any of the facilities.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Grupo Bimbo said it will invest a billion dollars in the U.S. 
>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> next five years to add bakeries, upgrade existing plants and make
>>>>>>>>>> other improvements.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.khastv.com/news/local/Sara-Lee-selsl-facility-to-Mexican-company-107008648.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Time to stop eating any Sare Lee products.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As long as Grupo Bimbo does not hire illegal aliens to work in 
>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>> bakeries located in the US and they follow all the laws they are
>>>>>>>> subject
>>>>>>>> to,
>>>>>>>> I'm missing why there is a problem. A lot of foreign companies have
>>>>>>>> purchased US companies and a lot of US companies have purchased
>>>>>>>> foreign
>>>>>>>> companies. It's called globalization. Get use to it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not, globalization is bad and false.
>>>>>>> Bear in mind the second principle of thermodynamics.
>>>>>>> Five systems with different levels if they are united, they will
>>>>>>> reach
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> level of the lowest.
>>>>>>> The systems must be separated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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