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In message <eYATrwxPKHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, MEB 
<MEB-nothere@hotmail.com> writes:
>Oldus Fartus wrote:
>> MEB wrote:
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>>> The Web is a web.
>>
>> No, the Web (WWW) is a system of interlinked hypertext documents
>> accessed via the Internet.
>
> Best check this also [hint: it has to do with servers and protocols].
>
>>>
>>> The NTTP servers are on the Internet.
>>
>> Yep
>>
Yep
>>>
>>> The Web is on the Internet.
>>
>> Yep
>>
Yep
>>>
>>> An intranet may contain an NNTP server and not connect to the Internet.
>>
>>
>> Huh?
>
> Hey, we're defining things here. Let's not leave something that might
>be needed, and is.
>
MEB had introduced the term intRAnet; that term is nowadays used to 
refer to a private network, which may or may not be connected to the 
intERnet. As such, MEB is correct - an intRAnet may have NNTP server(s), 
which - if it's a totally isolated network - will handle private 
newsgroups. My employer has an intranet, which carries several 
newsgroups which are exclusive to the company, though it also carries a 
small subset of those on the outside, where they are deemed to be 
relevant to the company. The company intranet also has web servers, 
which carry web pages, which are inaccessible to the outside world; 
users of the intranet can access the internal intranet web, as well as 
the outside web (though that is filtered, which to me seems fair enough, 
though can be tedious).
>>
>>>
>>> A web may contain messages from a news group.
>>
>> A website may, just like Googlegroups.
>
> And Microsoft, one of the places this is being posted to.
>
I'm not quite sure what you mean there, since Microsoft is a company 
rather than a "place"; however, assuming you mean the server farm owned 
and run by Microsoft, then I agree, from all I've heard the MS servers 
do carry some newsgroups that the rest of usenet does. (As well as some 
internal ones.) I won't here go into how what is on the MS servers is 
presented to their users (i. e. web interface or otherwise), because (a) 
I'm not one of those users and (b) we've done that to death here.
>>
>>>
>>> The Web may contain messages from Usenets, Forums, private internets or
>>> intranets, News, newsgroups, and news postings.
>>>
>>> The Internet contains webs, the Web, newsgroups, News servers, http
>>> servers, etc...
>>>
>>>  Now split them from each other... its a ludicrous argument... the world
>>> changes and so does how its perceived.
>>>  Just one more attempt to make Usenet something special... it was
>>> originally, now is another matter.
>>>
Well, "the web" - or "the Web" if you prefer - is something that is 
transferred over the internet; the same can be said for 
usenet/newsnet/newsgroups. There are websites - Google being the 
best-known, but not the only one - which provide a web-appearance 
interface to newsgroups, via which people may interact with (read, and 
post to, newsgroups) usenet. So "the w/Web" and "usenet/newsnet" are 
linked in places; they are not exactly the same thing; and they both 
travel via the internet. Common usage is tending to blur the terms 
"w/Web" and "internet", and I suspect the distinction is now beyond 
rescue, despite what we pedants think. (Newsgroups are now - I fear - 
such a minority interest that most newer users of the internet don't 
know they exist, except perhaps via the web interfaces, and most not 
even those.)
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