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Rod Speed wrote:
> MEB wrote:
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>> Greg wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 09:52:57 -0400, Greg <invalid@invalid.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sniped
>>>>>
>>>>> This is like trying to explain this to my mother.
>>>>>
>>>>> Windows full installation Oem operating disk (Not system builders)
>>>>> can be sold with hardware,  as long a the disk has not been
>>>>> installed. So, me buying or selling an OEM xp off of EBAY or Amazon
>>>>> is perfectly legal as long as it has not be installed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What cant be sold or given away except with transfer of a computer
>>>>> is Oems upgrade disk
>>>>> Oems that have been installed.
>>>>> Oems that have Windows Vista or W7
>>>>>
>>>>> Where I got that information,  is from a MVP in the windows xp
>>>>> newsgroup.  I do tend to believe a MVP.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg
>>>> One additional comment.  I was referring to buying and selling in
>>>> the U.S.
>>>>
>>>> In Canada, it was ruled that OEMs can be sold without hardware and
>>>> it can be sold as used.    It has to do with a law that is passed in
>>>> 90's.    I think Microsoft is still trying to challenge that law.
>>>> The law basically says anything you buy,  it yours to do with what
>>>> you please, it even allows them to install the OEM on more that one
>>>> computer.   I don't have any links to this.    This is what I read.
>>>> Maybe a Canadian citizen reading this can fill us in more on the
>>>> law, I am referring about.
>>> And there doesnt have to be a specific law either. By default you are
>>> welcome to sell what you legally own and if a particular
>>> jurisdiction wants
>>> to cancel that common law right, it needs specific legislation that
>>> does that.
>>>
>>> I'm not aware of even a single first or second world country that
>>> has done that.
> 
>> Got several modifiers to the above comment to consider,
> 
> Nope, all of these have to be turned into legislation to have any legal effect.
> 
>> in addition to the prior materials:
> 
> Meaningless waffle.
> 
>> Free Trade Agreements
>> IPO
>> Treaties
>> BSA
>> IMSTA
>> The Congressional International Anti-Piracy Caucus
>> SPA
>> ACCS
>> CISG - http://www.law-counsel.com/Legal_information/contract_law/
>> WTO
>> UCC
>> http://www.jus.uio.no/lm/private.international.commercial.law/contract.principles.html
>> CRIA
>> Canadian Copyright Act
>> CAAST
>> ESAC
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8219652.stm
>> the recent French piracy Law
>> http://search.bbc.co.uk/search?uri=%2F&scope=all&go=toolbar&q=piracy
> 
>> So when you indicate that you know of no "first or second world country" doing that, I have to wonder...
> 
> Not one of those does anything like that on the issue being
> discussed, what you can legally do with what you own.
> 
> Contract law has no relevance what so ever to anyone who isnt party to any contract. 
> 
> 

 Yeah, normal Usenet garbage. So do you think anyone actually believes
you other than those also don't have a clue... like you...

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