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98 Guy wrote:
> Greg wrote:
> 
>> I was defending you.    These are not my words.    These are a MVP
>> words.
> 
> If you were quoting what an MVP said, and quoting him exactly, then
> where did the MVP post that material?
> 
> It is extremely poorly written, grammatically speaking.
> 
>> Let me see if I can explain this.
>>
>> New windows Oems operating system (Except Vista and w7) can be
>> sold with Hardware.
> 
> A better way to say that:
> 
> New computers that have some version of windows pre-installed on them
> will have what's known as an "OEM" version.  OEM versions of Windows are
> (according to their license terms) limited to be used only on the
> original computer hardware that was purchased by an end-user.  Microsoft
> defines "computer hardware" to be the motherboard of the computer.  Any
> or all other components can change, but the motherboard can not be
> changed, as that would constitute a new or different computer.  If the
> original motherboard fails, then Microsoft does allow the motherboard to
> be replaced *by an exact duplicate* without violating the Windows OEM
> license.
> 
>> Used Oems operating systems can not be sold at all.
> 
> OEM copies (or licenses) of Windows are sold to mass-market system
> builders at a large discount for incorporation into new computers.  The
> trade-off for the low cost is that the end-user can't transfer the
> license to another computer, or sell that license to someone else.  The
> end-user can only sell the entire computer to someone else, and they
> must not retain any copy of the OS (assuming such a copy came with the
> computer when it was originally purchased).
> 
> So the end user is "not supposed to" sell their OEM copy of windows, or
> use the OEM license or product key to install Windows on another
> computer.  Whether or not someone can actually do that if they really
> wanted to - is another question.

 NO, there is no LEGAL question involved, the authorization has already
been defined.

> 
>> New Oems can be installed on any computer. 
> 
> The use of the term "New Oem" needs clarification.  There are *specific*
> types of Windows licenses or products that can be installed on "any
> computer".  Strictly speaking, most people are aware of (and actually
> have) an OEM version that can't be "installed on any computer".  

 ANY *OTHER* COMPUTER than which the disk/OS came with.

> 
> For most people, the version of Windows that could be installed on any
> computer is known as the "Retail" version.  There is yet another type of
> Windows - known as a "System Builder" version, that is somewhere between
> a Retail and OEM version.  The System Builder version is a form or type
> of OEM version, but it has not yet been installed on any computer. 
> Small-scale computer builders buy the System Builder version and can
> install it on ONE computer.  Once it's installed on that ONE computer,
> it can't be separated from the computer and re-sold by itself by the
> end-user.

 That is not necessarily true. That would depend upon the licensing
agreement which that builder held. They would have been authorized to
build more than one system [bulk purchase/volume licensing]. The
builders licensing and software would not be transferable.
 Most small builders would likely have used retail products on a per
system basis.

OEM System Builder Licensing
https://partner.microsoft.com/UK/40012170
OEM System Builder Licensing
http://oem.microsoft.com/script/ContentPage.aspx?pageid=552816
Transfer of OEM Licenses
http://oem.microsoft.com/script/contentPage.aspx?pageid=552861
Licensing for Hobbyists
http://oem.microsoft.com/script/contentpage.aspx?pageid=563841

Other usage or questions?
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wrapping from the text}

Find End User License Terms for Microsoft Software Licensed by Microsoft
or the Computer Manufacturer
http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal/useterms/

Campus Agreement Special Use Rights
http://www.microsoft.com/education/license/manage/caspecialuserights.aspx
Licensing options for education institutions
http://www.microsoft.com/education/license/howtobuy/options.aspx
note the license terms. times, seats, etc..

Microsoft® Open Value for Government - PDF
https://partner.microsoft.com/download/US/40099090

Microsoft Helps Protect Consumers by Tackling Illegal Software Sales
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2008/may08/05-05SoftwareSalesPR.mspx?rss_fdn=Press%20Releases

Education push from Microsoft drives rogue traders to turn over a new...
... and selling improperly licensed software to ... viruses and identity
theft when they use ...
http://download.microsoft.com/documents/uk/licensing/homeuser/illegal-traders/E_South%20West_Plymouth%20-%20SPC%20Computers,%20February%202009.pdf

Did you come across an unfamiliar term while validating your software or
while searching for other information? Use the Glossary to find
definitions of common terms used on the Genuine Microsoft Software Web
site.
http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/selfhelp/Glossary.aspx?displaylang=en&sGuid=080756ae-8b40-4e43-9033-82f8711ac943&alphabetID=p

Since this was originally a question regarding WGA and XP and upgrades.
Did You Get "...May Be a Victim of Software Counterfeiting" Notice on
Your Brand Name Computer? Look Here First!
http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/genuinewindowsxp/thread/eca93de7-6126-41a4-ae1e-bab18a91cf04

> 
>> Oems are tied to the computer once they are installed,
>> stay with the computer,  not necessarily the person or
>> business. 
> 
> That is true, as explained above.
> 
>> (MEB,  I am not talking about large companies or big
>> businesses.)
> 
> Meb thinks that all licenses are either volume or developer, and he
> argues from that point of view.

 You know damn well that's is a *deliberately* false statement. WE, you
and I, have discussed retail versions, OEM, other licensing, and
transfers previously and repeatedly.

> 
>> MVP,  Are assigned by Microsoft.   So they should know what
>> they are talking about.
> 
> MVP's are appologists and psycophants for Microsoft.  They derive their
> living by supplying technical services to people to fix their
> Microsoft-related problems.  They have a vested interest in the
> complexities, idiosyncracies, vulnerabilities and other problems that
> are built into various Microsoft products.  MVP's are largely not
> critical of Microsoft's business practices or their products - in fact
> they depend on Microsoft's forced obsolesence model and they promote
> upgrading their clients to the latest versions of Microsoft products as
> they become available, knowing that their clients will encounter new
> problems migrating to the new versions, thereby insuring their continued
> employment.

 And you are a pure unadulterated lier and person attempting to
legitimize criminal activity [though apparently not openly now] as you
have repeatedly posted here and elsewhere.
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/fedsat/copyright.htm
http://peoplescounsel.org/reg/gen/windows/software-piracy-win98.thm

 Had you spent some time in this forum, rather than the interloper you
are, you would KNOW that *this group* and its regulars, worked to
*extract* 9X from the hardware and other like activities, some of the
MVPs included, for over 10 years... you, on the other hand, have SHOUTED
TO THE WORLD, to steal the software...
 Additionally, had you been in this group during those years, you would
also know the MVPs had also voiced numerous dislikes at various issues
concerning Microsoft, at times, discussing those issues DIRECTLY with
Microsoft.
 Moreover, do you have ANY idea of the number of MVPs still using XP
rather than VISTA or even Windows7, and how they continue to attempt to
get extensions *for* XP FROM Microsoft, which XP users MAY receive the
benefit of.

 Get a life, just do it somewhere else. Now crawl back under your rock...

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