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Lewis K. Zeelastik wrote:
> "MEB" <MEB-nothere@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:ucarn8fPKHA.4692@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> . bumped a prior post thinking, perhaps, it meant something more than it
>> did:
>> Sunny wrote:
>>>> "MEB" <MEB-nothere@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:eg%231Ma%23OKHA.4700@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Sunny wrote:
>>>>>>>> "MEB" <MEB-nothere@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:OlzAU24OKHA.4692@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> . wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "MEB" <MEB-nothere@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:#ND$wJ0OKHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <Big-snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Take a chill-pill, billy-brown-noser.
>>>>>>>>>> HAHAHA, so now we have the normal completely ignorant USENUTTER
>>>>>>>>>> posting... how cute, does your mommy know your using the computer
>>>>>>>>>> again?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I could care less what Microsoft wants you idiot... I CARE
>> that some
>>>>>>>>>> person WILL get prosecuted BECAUSE that's IS the Law, and a
>> CRIMINAL
>>>>>>>>>> act...
>>>>>>>> Another example of your arrogance, that just because a person
>> accesses
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> news group through Usenet (normal procedure) you classify them as
>>>>>>>> beneath
>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FWIW here in Australia there are ads in every daily newspaper
>> "Ex Govt.
>>>>>>>> computers for sale, complete with Operating System and Internet
>>>>>>>> access".
>>>>>>>> (I know two people who have bought them and no "activation has been
>>>>>>>> required, and their OS has not been "disabled".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Get out into the real World, for instance in most stores in
>> Malaysia
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> Singapore OEM CDs are on display for sale without any hardware
>> purchase
>>>>>>>> required. (and this in a Country that Microsoft has a large
>> assembly
>>>>>>>> plant
>>>>>>>> that supplies Microsoft products to South East Asia)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> AHHH, Sunny, why don't ONE of you actually look at those search and
>>>>>> links provided THEN come back and TRY to continue as you are...
>>>>>> might want to check those prosecutions around the world...
>>>> I have "looked at" dozens of "prosecutions around the world" and the
>> vast
>>>> majority are against organised piracy groups that sell there stuff as
>>>> "genuine".
>>>>
>>>> Prosecutions against individual users are a different story, and the
>>>> majority have been thrown out of court.
>>>>
>>>> I attended a Microsoft seminar and product display in Singapore, and
>> even
>>>> there a couple of attendants were surprised that I intended to buy a
>>>> retail copy of WinXP, and hinted that far cheaper alternatives were
>>>> readily available.
>>>>
>>>>
>> Yep, just as the music CIVIL prosecutions make the news, so do the
>> MAJOR criminal prosecutions. Sorry doesn't mean anything,, keep looking.
>>
>> So did you buy some of those illegal copies???
>>
>> -- 
>> MEB
>> http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
>> Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking
>> http://peoplescounsel.org
>> The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government
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> 
> Back in the late 1990s heaps of US Ebay customers were selling MS Office 97 
> Professional. They were selling them on Dutch auctions and usually had large 
> numbers available. Anyway, I bid on and won six copies. They were all sealed 
> and came with the installation licence number (or whatever you call it). I 
> loaded one onto my machine and it worked fine. I then advertised the other 
> five copies in the local newspaper. About a week or so later I was raided by 
> about six or seven police officers. They seized the five copies and said 
> they would contact me later (I had told them where and when I bought them 
> and that hundred of people were selling them and buying them and that to my 
> knowledge they were genuine original copies). About a year went by and then 
> I was summoned to appear in the magistrate's court. To cut a long story 
> short, the Magistrate dismissed the case as being frivolous and time 
> wasting. The Magistrate said that any layman would just naturally assume 
> that they were genuine copies and that included him. This was after the MS 
> representative gave a long monologue about the lengthy in-depth training MS 
> staff underwent to spot "illegal/pirated copies of software".  The MS rep 
> also said that even if the software was genuine, it would be classified as 
> being OEM and that it was against the law to sell OEM without the 
> accompanying equipment (computer I guess). The Magistrate smiled and said as 
> far as he was concerned, as long as the "OEM" software was legally obtained 
> it became the property of the buyer and he/she owned it and therefore, could 
> do what the heck they wanted with it. One of my arguments was how come Ebay 
> or MS didn't spot the (literally) hundreds of sellers of the supposedly 
> illegal/pirated/OEM software.
> To my knowledge the software was legal and original and I guess OEM, as all 
> it consisted of was the disk in a sealed case with the installation key and 
> installation instructions.
> I heard later that several other people went through what I did with the 
> same end result.
> Amen!! 
> 
> 

Yeah, that was then, this is now:

Patents and Computer Software Law
http://www.hazan.com.au/patentsandcomputersoftware.html

Intellectual Property Office
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/

Database right
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/copy/c-otherprotect/c-databaseright.htm

Written works including software and databases
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/copy/c-applies/c-literary.htm

Guide to offenses
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/crime/crime-resources/crime-offenceguide.htm

The Parallel Importation Bill increased the maximum fine for importation
of infringing goods from $60,500 to $71,500 for individuals and $302,500
to $357,500 for corporations.

http://www.bsaa.com.au/bsaaweb/main/index.php?pg=media_single&PID=19&ch_table=link7

http://www.aph.gov.au/library/INTGUIDE/LAW/Intelectuallaw.htm

http://wiki.media-culture.org.au/index.php/Software_Piracy_-Free_Trade_Agreement-_New_Copyright_Laws

 It is a changing world, economies are suffering, governments need
money... magistrates won't be far behind.

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MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking
http://peoplescounsel.org
The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government
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