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"MEB" <MEB-nothere@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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> 98 Guy wrote:
>> Greg wrote:
>>
>>> I was defending you.    These are not my words.    These are a MVP
>>> words.
>>
>> If you were quoting what an MVP said, and quoting him exactly, then
>> where did the MVP post that material?
>>
>> It is extremely poorly written, grammatically speaking.
>>
>>> Let me see if I can explain this.
>>>
>>> New windows Oems operating system (Except Vista and w7) can be
>>> sold with Hardware.
>>
>> A better way to say that:
>>
>> New computers that have some version of windows pre-installed on them
>> will have what's known as an "OEM" version.  OEM versions of Windows 
>> are
>> (according to their license terms) limited to be used only on the
>> original computer hardware that was purchased by an end-user. 
>> Microsoft
>> defines "computer hardware" to be the motherboard of the computer.  Any
>> or all other components can change, but the motherboard can not be
>> changed, as that would constitute a new or different computer.  If the
>> original motherboard fails, then Microsoft does allow the motherboard 
>> to
>> be replaced *by an exact duplicate* without violating the Windows OEM
>> license.
>>
>>> Used Oems operating systems can not be sold at all.
>>
>> OEM copies (or licenses) of Windows are sold to mass-market system
>> builders at a large discount for incorporation into new computers.  The
>> trade-off for the low cost is that the end-user can't transfer the
>> license to another computer, or sell that license to someone else.  The
>> end-user can only sell the entire computer to someone else, and they
>> must not retain any copy of the OS (assuming such a copy came with the
>> computer when it was originally purchased).
>>
>> So the end user is "not supposed to" sell their OEM copy of windows, or
>> use the OEM license or product key to install Windows on another
>> computer.  Whether or not someone can actually do that if they really
>> wanted to - is another question.
>
> NO, there is no LEGAL question involved, the authorization has already
> been defined.
>
>>
>>> New Oems can be installed on any computer.
>>
>> The use of the term "New Oem" needs clarification.  There are 
>> *specific*
>> types of Windows licenses or products that can be installed on "any
>> computer".  Strictly speaking, most people are aware of (and actually
>> have) an OEM version that can't be "installed on any computer".
>
> ANY *OTHER* COMPUTER than which the disk/OS came with.

FWIW, in 1996 I bought an IBM Aptiva with Win95 as the OS.
I protested to Microsoft (OEM Division)that IBM had not supplied me with a 
Win95 CD, but rather supplied a "recovery CD and a "Tools" CD with drivers 
etc.
The recovery CD was pass word protected by IBM, so access to individual 
files etc was not possible.
End result was that Microsoft sent me an OEM CD "Windows 95c" (which I 
still have)

(From Usenet I obtained the three "passwords" that IBM used, but IBM's 
attitude sucked, I notice they now supply CDs , not "recovery CDs)

As for reselling used PCs with Operating systems  :
Just a couple from our local junk mail (there are many more)
www.thecomputermarket.com
www.renewit.com.au