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In article <CoF1L7.7oE@ferret.ocunix.on.ca> clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) writes:
>In article <2oqdfb$ram@aludra.usc.edu>,
>David E. Stewart <destewar@aludra.usc.edu> wrote:
>>In article <CoCB7L.Lw0@ferret.ocunix.on.ca> clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) writes:
>>>a passport to get home.  On what grounds can they do that?  (Besides, I thought

>On what grounds can C & I deny entrance to an American citizen who doesn't
>have a passport?  Not having a passport can surely make it difficult, but

	Simple. How would you prove that you were an American and entitled
  	to enter this country?  Only in the movies do they let you pass
	when you tell them the winners of '48 world series.  How do you
	prove citizenship, but by passport or certified birth certificate?

>surely once you manage to prove your citizenship they cannot legally prevent
>you.  It may take a while, but you should still be able to get in no matter

	Once again how do you prove it without a passport?
>what C & I thinks.  Or does C&I have the presumption to be able to revoke
>the rights of US citizenship without due process?

	They would detain you until you could provide proof.

>>>|	I should note
>>>|	that dishonarable discharges are rare.  You also can't own
>>>|	property or vote.
>
>While we could certainly argue for some time whether the 2nd amendment
>guarantees *individuals* freedom to bear arms, there cannot be any
>question that your constitution guarantees the right to own property
>and vote, except where the latter is temporarily suspended by a prison
>sentence.  Hell, since you can get a dishonourable discharge merely for
>insubordination, or a disallowed concientious objector claim, loss of
 **********************  what????

	You seem to be confused as to the different types of discharges
	possible.

	1 "Honorable discharge: An honorable discharge means a separation
	with honor."

	2"General discharge:...	In most cases, general discharge, goes to
	those whose conduct and performance, though satisfactory, has not
	been good enough to deserve an honorable discharge...ineptitude,
	unsuitability."

	3"Undesirable Discharge....by administrative for misconduct or
	breach of security"    Drug abuse
	4"Bad Conduct Discharge"
	5"Dishonorable Discharge ....murder, rape, arson...."

	While you (civilian) may not be forced to serve time twice for
	one crime I can.  The military especially likes to apply this
	ability to DUIs.  A civilian court will convict you of driving
	drunk and the military will use the civilian conviction as
	a basis for their later conviction.  When you finish serving
	your civilian sentence you will serve a military one and
	also receive other punishments:  reduction in paygrade, loss of
	pay while in prison, loss of priveleges, and a discharge as
	court martial may direct.

	BTW to all you smart asses that will ask for quotes:  "The
	Blue Jacket's Manual" 20th edition Naval Institute Press
	Annapolis MD.

	Movies rarely reflect reality---military, legal etc.....

	David

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