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Article #287Re: WiReD: just bad journalism re: Homolka info on Internet
From: JWELLS
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 06:25
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 06:25
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In article <1994Mar19.190204.567@sdg.dra.com> sean@sdg.dra.com writes: >From: sean@sdg.dra.com >Subject: Re: WiReD: just bad journalism re: Homolka info on Internet >Date: 19 Mar 94 19:02:04 CST >> There is no precedent for gag orders between >> countries ... and won't be short of negotiating treaties. Actually there is. In the 1950's or 60's an American was tried and convicted for violating a publication ban in a Canadian court. It was a slightly different sort of ban, but nevertheless an American was tried and convicted in absentia and then extradited as a convicted criminal to serve time in a Canadian jail. It was no big deal in human terms -- the sentence was only 11 or 12 days, but it's interesting from a legal perspective. The mistake made by the defendants in this case was that they were dumb enough to send a laywer to represent them before the court. Because they were represented before the court they were "attourned" to the court, and therefore the verdict was valid. If they had not bothered to send a laywer the court could not have convicted them and the extradition would not have been possible (at least not on the same grounds). I can't remember the names and the dates anymore but with enough work I could find out again. An account of the trial was published in the Globe & Mail (Canadian newspaper) a few months ago when the current ban was a big news item. The interesting question is this: What is necessary for a party to be attourned to the court? Most major US media have fairly extensive offices in Canada -- would a senior official from one of those offices be a person of enough standing to attourn the American wing of the organization to the court? If so, since they are in Canada the court could force them to appear and perhaps use them to attourn the whole organization. Even if this sort of thing turns out not to be possible the court can enforce all kinds of contempt rulings on any member of the organization that ventured into Canada -- perhaps even against any member of the organization that ventured into any commonwealth country (Australia, Britain, Canada...) That could certainly cause serious financial trouble for any organization that wanted to report on world events. >What I found especially amusing, was the claim by the Canadian Crown >prosecutor that the press had no standing to challenge the ban, but they >were still bound to obey it. I found this a rather novel legal concept. I find this somewhat offensive. It's hardly a "novel legal concept" -- in fact it is a legal concept that predates America, or even knowledge of North America. Inherent in your statement is the attitude: "The American legal system is the first and only legal system of any value. If you do anything different than we do in America it's just no good." There is no sensible way the Canadian and American legal systems can be compared. They have a completely different constitutional basis, and serve completely different functions within society. With respect to the publication ban probably the most important difference is that in the Canadian legal system we don't lock up the jury as if they were prisoners. They're free to go home to their families at the end of the day and watch TV. They can even continue working at their job as long as they show up in court when they're supposed to. Given that we don't treat our juries as criminals we have to worry a lot more that they don't get biased by news reports. In sensitive trials in America the jury is locked away and not allowed any contact with the outside world -- so you can afford not to care what the newspapers do. But in Canada the jury deciding over the fate of the accused can and will see and read anything that is published about the case. If there is some information that would seriously bias the case, then it makes sense to ban it in order to protect the rights of the accused. Justin Wells ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Enhanced 911 Services a.k.a. stem@io.org a.k.a. stem@sizone.pci.on.ca
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