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Snowhare (snowhare@netcom.com) wrote:

: : the fact that the ban does not effect you where you are sitting, doesn't mean
: : that your keystrikes won't cause grief for people in Canada.

: Perhaps. You are seriously tempting me to follow through and actually do 
: that cross-post. It would likely cost me this account, but it would 
: almost be worth it to force the sysadmins in Canada to face up to the 
: impossibility of banning information distributed electronically. What is 

I think that for alot of sysadmins that they are aware of the reality, whereas
the administration and management above them (and the law, obviously) does
NOT realise. And they think that "banning a few newsgroups will shut it down
cold". Not. Let them think that it does tho, cause it leaves us to share the
information without them hassling us. Thats how it was at UfT - shut down
the feed to a few major systems from the official NNTP gateway and the
admin thinks they're cut off. Far from it. Thats the nature of the net. I
dont even think that most of the admins had to touch a thing - the news came
in from other servers almost automagically. What a joke.

: next? Searches of snail mail to be sure no illicit information comes from 
: the US mail? Satellite jammers to be sure no one picks up a stray news 

This has happened already at UofGuelph, which is why I almost agree with that
nearly "racist" anti-Guelph post - admins at uoGoo as far as I know are still
scanning mail for mentions of the ban. (not information thats banned, but just
mentioning KARLA HOMOLKA... duh.)

: program that is not inside Canada's absurd restrictions? Uh oh - better 
: not tell those guys proving FULL feeds via satellite...

Dont mention it, and then nothing will happen. simple. Now that you
mentioned it, I can see why Anik suddenly went spiralling out of
control... :) Conspiracy theories abounding! WOOHOO! (Ever since that,
my cable has been really fuzzy too. Damn.)

: How many levels of indirection do I have to lay on before I am not 
: breaking the ban? Can I tell people when they can go to get information 

Um. How about 0? You're not breaking the ban right now, for sure, anyway.
In the immortal words of Marlin Hoek, "Nobody knows". Not even Ruth Grier.

: Can I say telnet to Umich and read it for yourself?

This has already all been PUBLISHED on paper - how to get NNTP feeds of news,
etc.

: want. It is no further away than a phone call. Or is Canada going to 
: disconnect all its international phone links too?

Obviously not, but the authorities and the law has to come to the realisation
of this and enact suitable laws.

Tell me, are American laws already all up to snuff regarding networks and
information flow and legalities? 

Oh yes, what am I saying, of course they are, thats why things like Clipper
are in existance. Slap you back in the face (but only half way, cause Canada
will probably have something like Clipper soon...).

: : the breaking of the holmonka ban has resulted in the closure of many
: : non-holmonka related groups.

: Death of Internet predicted. There will be NO film at eleven.

Ha, ya right. Well, the internet might go down, but UUCP wont. That would
be alot harder, unless all the phone lines went out as well. That would
cause some serious shit around here, requiring the army to come out to
control things. Doubt it would happen.

: And an obligation to fight with every resource any attempt to block the 
: free flow of information. It is OBLIGATORY to scream fire *when there is 
: a fire*. There is a definite smell of smoke in Canada. The smoke of rights 
: being burned by judicial fiat.

I'm glad all this happened, really, its caused some people to start thinking
at a time when its important. We must guide this issue carefully, however,
or we'll be in the wrong spot at the right time for the govt to enact some
scary laws.

/kc

-- 
Ken P. Chasse -- Sysadmin, Sonic Interzone	"Life is what happens when
Public Access email/Usenet -- 416-968-7292	you're waiting for the tube."
spooge@sizone.pci.on.ca --  Toronto CANADA       - Karen Shook, CND expatriate