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In article <1994Apr17.023432.7408@princeton.edu>,
Wendy Ann Deslauriers <wendyd@tucson.Princeton.EDU> wrote:
>In article <Co6B1F.58B@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> rjwells@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Justin Wells) writes:
>>In article <2of9n5$jhe@panix.com>, Clay Shirky <clays@panix.com> wrote:
>>>In <Co5zAA.E3y@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> rjwells@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Justin Wells) writes:
>>>
>>>>What's the difference?  By publishing details of the trial you're breaking
>>>>Canadian law, by threatening the president I would be breaking American
>>>>law.  Do you see a difference?  I don't see a difference.
>>>
>>>This is because you are indulging yourself in nationalist pride. You
>>>think of yourself as a Canadian first and a citizen of the net second.
>>
>>You're damn right I do.
>>
>>Justin
>>
>I agree completely!  I also consider myself a citizen of Canada first
>and of the net second.  It's sad that more people don't and that people
>seem to be taking Canadian law so lightly these days.  Are laws are an
>integral part of our society and should be respected.  Thus, I agree
>with Justin's position that a Canadian breaking American law while
>within Canada would be little different from an American posting banned
>details to the net (essentially breaking Canadian law from within the
>U.S.).
>
>

Unfortunately, there's a small concept that you don't seem to
get... :-) Not to rain on yon parade... indeed, I disagree with the
breaking of the ban on the Homolka trial information.. however,
Canadian laws have _no_ jurisdiction outside of Canada, meaning if
someone in America/Europe/Asia chooses to post information about
the Homolka trial, that's his/her perogative, and there's really
not much Canada can do about it (unless A. They've got an
mutual extradition treaty with the country of the poster breaking
the Canadian law, and wish to pursue extraditing the law breaker...
although I'm not sure if this can be done, since the law wasn't
necessarily broken _IN_ Canada... B. Shut down all communications
with the outside world. :-). There is no ban on that information
outside of Canada, thus it is legal to post it outside of Canada,
even though it's not legal to be posted in Canada. Contrarywise,
threatening someone with death, is not only illegal in the United
States, it is also illegal in Canada, and probably most of the
other 200+ nations of the Earth. Therefore, if you threatened the
presidents life, you would be breaking American law, which you
apparently don't care about (and rightly so, since you are a
Canadian), but ALSO Canadian law, which would place you in trouble
if the U.S. decided to rain on your parade, as it undoubtedly
would.

	Please remember, the laws of a country only extend to the
nations borders (please don't drag up the U.S.'s policy of invading
nations to apprehend criminals, this is _not_ correct, and nor do I
agree with this policy, and the U.S. should pay for it's sinister
doings. :). Citizens of another country are not bound by the laws
of _your_ country. If they break your laws, once again, your
government may attempt to extradite the law breaker, or hope that
someday said law breaker will step within the jurisdiction of your
government, in which case your government would have to frame law
breaker for breaking a law _on_ your nations soil. (Yep, that's
right, if I were to go to the Canadian border, and, from the U.S.
side, shout details of the Homolka Trial, I could cross the
Canadian border an hour later, and no legal action would be able to
be taken, because I had broken no Canadian laws _on_ Canadian
Soil... of course I would never do such a thing.)

	I am not justifying the publication of banned material, but
I do believe that if everyone was worried about every other
countries laws, we'd not do much, because everything we do is
probably illegal -somewhere-... just like Canadians don't live by
the laws of America, Americans in turn, do not live by the laws of
Canada.

	It is to be noted however, that if a person/nation has any
respect for another nation, said person will respect that nations
laws too... but then to be asked is, when did an American show
respect for anyone who couldn't pound them into dust? :)

	Nationalism... is a foolish thing... it is fostered by
ignorance and politicians. :) We're _all_ human, and we're all in
this world/solar system/galaxy/universe together. Pointing fingers
at each other, because we live in a different place/speak a
different language/call ourselves by another name/look
different/smell funny... it doesn't solve anything. All your doing
is delaying the advancement of humanity...

Kevin L. Lord, commentator at large. :)