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In article <2oqdfb$ram@aludra.usc.edu>,
David E. Stewart <destewar@aludra.usc.edu> wrote:
>In article <CoCB7L.Lw0@ferret.ocunix.on.ca> clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) writes:
>>a passport to get home.  On what grounds can they do that?  (Besides, I thought
>>you'd be sent back to Leavenworth or equivalent first).

[Obviously I misunderstood the reference to leaving North America and returning
to the US.  They did seem to be referring to a single trip ;-)]

>	actually no.  I meant what I wrote.  To get a dishonorable discharge
>	you have to something like murder and after serving a civilian
>	sentence and then serving a military one you MIGHT be denied
>	a Passport.  If you were to somehow arrange for foreign travel
>	and you returned to the US and went to the customs and immigration
>	gate they would ask you for a passport at which point you would
>	have none and they would look at you like you were an idiot and
>	might not let you in, besides to go to a nice cell.

On what grounds can C & I deny entrance to an American citizen who doesn't
have a passport?  Not having a passport can surely make it difficult, but
surely once you manage to prove your citizenship they cannot legally prevent
you.  It may take a while, but you should still be able to get in no matter
what C & I thinks.  Or does C&I have the presumption to be able to revoke
the rights of US citizenship without due process?

>>|	I should note
>>|	that dishonarable discharges are rare.  You also can't own
>>|	property or vote.

>>You can't be serious.
>
>	Fuck no.  If you get a dishonorable discharge you are scum
>	anyway why should yoube allowed to have the same priveleges
>	as the rest of us?  You also can't own a weapon.  Certain
>	civilian criminals are denied these priveleges also.

While we could certainly argue for some time whether the 2nd amendment
guarantees *individuals* freedom to bear arms, there cannot be any
question that your constitution guarantees the right to own property
and vote, except where the latter is temporarily suspended by a prison
sentence.  Hell, since you can get a dishonourable discharge merely for
insubordination, or a disallowed concientious objector claim, loss of
voting after civil+military sentence completion or property
confiscation (which is what it amounts to), is a gross violation of
your constitution and basic human rights.

I should note that there appears to be a change in the works in Canada
that would permit people serving jail terms to be able to vote.  While
I personally disagree with this - if being "inside" is no different than
being "outside", what's the disincentive?, it does show a rather marked
difference between our country and what you think your country does.

Boy and people thought Canada has repressive laws ;->
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