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TheApostle <likes-to-fuck@mailme.org> wrote in
news:MPG.224e075d702dd639897dd@news.sharkpost.org: 

> This post, George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> 
> Message-ID:<<twWEj.155553$r03.153884@fe10.news.easynews.com>> 
> may be monitored for quality assurance:
>|
>| "Peter Hucker" <none@spam.com> wrote in
>| news:op.t8dwt9wv4buhsv@fx62: 
>| 
>| > On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:49:21 -0000, George G
>| > <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: 
>| > 
>| >> %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote in
>| >> news:1ie5pnf.40a1jt1ny3nb3N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk:
>| >>
>| >>> George G <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>| >>>
>| >>>> Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote in
>| >>>> news:1np63u.7ve.19.1@news.alt.net:
>| >>>>
>| >>>> > bealoid <signup@bealoid.co.uk> writes:
>| >>>> >>Chris Caputo <ccaputo@alt.net> wrote in
>| >>>> >>news:1nkaod.fks.17.1@news.alt.net: [snip]
>| >>>> >>
>| >>>> >>> Accusations of abuse which are not in violation of
>| >>>> >>> our policies are generally ignored.  Sometimes I
>| >>>> >>> reply to a complainer, but normally if they have not
>| >>>> >>> taken the time to understand our policies, I do not
>| >>>> >>> bother. 
>| >>>> >>>
>| >>>> >>> Happy to answer any other questions,
>| >>>> >>
>| >>>> >>Do you have any kind of "Don't frequently nymshift to
>| >>>> >>evade kill-files" policy?
>| >>>> >
>| >>>> > No.
>| >>>> >
>| >>>> >>eg If a troll was nym-shifting several times a day to
>| >>>> >>disrupt a news group would you ask them to stop?
>| >>>> >
>| >>>> > No.
>| >>>> >
>| >>>> > As long as a poster isn't infringing on someone else's
>| >>>> > real email address or domain, they can be creative and
>| >>>> > set their From: address as they like, and vary it as
>| >>>> > they want. 
>| >>>> >
>| >>>> > Chris Caputo
>| >>>> > President, Altopia Corporation
>| >>>>
>| >>>> I've seen many a perfectly good newsgroup ruined by your
>| >>>> customers thanks to that policy. Usenet is hardly worth
>| >>>> bothering with now and you are largely to blame for
>| >>>> that. You must be very proud.
>| >>>
>| >>> I don't know why this got cross-posted to unnc, since it
>| >>> seems to originate elsewhere. However I find it mildly
>| >>> amusing that someone posting as George G
>| >>> <invalid@invalid.invalid> should be complaining about
>| >>> what other users stick in their From: address. It also
>| >>> seems from here that George G has cross-posted a message
>| >>> in order to stir up trouble or to harvest howls of
>| >>> outrage at a statement made by Chris Caputo. Again,
>| >>> hardly impeccable behaviour. 
>| >>>
>| >>> FWIW, I've supported Altopia for some time. I disagree
>| >>> profoundly with the trolls and newsgroup wreckers who
>| >>> want to drive other users off usenet or to reduce groups
>| >>> to a smoking wasteland of cascades or kilobytes of
>| >>> re-posed ASCII art. However I can't blame Chris Caputo
>| >>> for that. It's the immature individuals concerned that
>| >>> are the root of the problem and often their "opponents"
>| >>> such as George G are in exactly the same boat.
>| >>>
>| >>> I've found that for genuine net abuse concerns Chris has
>| >>> been unfailingly polite and helpful. Much more so than
>| >>> say NTL or BT.
>| >>
>| >> The point is that Chris Caputo allows his trolling
>| >> customers to nym-shift with impunity. That destroys
>| >> newsgroups. If you don't like what I write, killfile me. I
>| >> won't nym-shift to defeat the filter.
>| > 
>| > If he started killing accounts for that, where would he
>| > draw the line?  What about people using the word "fuck"? 
>| 
>| Did you pass the Altnet intelligence test too?
> 
> Clearly by the responses you've given in this subject, you are
> the only troll people have to worry about. With that said, you
> are the person responsible for your own actions - Easynews is
> not. 

Altopia sells itself as the NSP that allows its customers to nym-
shift, Easynews does not. That is why nym-shifting trolls use 
Altopia and not Easynews or the other quality NSPs that offer 
better retention, completion and more gigs for less money.

> A NSP is not responsible for the actions of it's customers,
> anymore than a car marker is responsible for your bad driving.

That's a poor analogy. Would your telephone provider knowingly 
allow you to make anonymous threatening calls? That is a better 
one.

>  To apply your logic would be ridiculous.  You're no doubt the
> same kind of idiot moron who sues the gun company because the
> gun killed someone, or the cigarette company for getting
> cancer after smoking their product for 20 years... 

My logic? I'm critisising Altopia's policy of allowing nym-shifting 
to troll. That is all.

> A NSP provides you with a privledge of Usenet service, and
> people have to abide by the TOS/AUP of that service.  If
> Alt.net's AUP isn't in agreement with your definition of what
> "works" for Usenet than perhaps you should find another hobby
> to occupy your pitiful existence, since being a Usenet netcop
> isn't working out as well as you would have hoped. 

Netcop! Ha! You're ASSuming stuff again.

> Instead of trying to shift the blame for the
> trolling/nymshifting trolls to the NSP/ISP's why don't you
> quit your whining, stop feeding the nymshifting trolls, grow a
> thicker set of skin, and learn how to filter properly.  

Please show me how to killfile a nym-shifting troll other than by 
the path.

> Now piss off ....ya slacked jawed Moron!

After you, knucklehead.