🚀 go-pugleaf

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Replying to this post could get you UDP-ed (UseNet Death Penalty). There is a
censor in the austin.internet newsgroup who issued a UDP, based upon content
which consisted of discussing, showing and arguing persuasively that an ISP,
*Texas.Net*, is scamming their customers and booting people off their system
if the people complain. If you support free speech and "consumerism" to warn
others about fraudulent practices, file your protest with austin.internet
newsgroup and support the local users. It's your free speech that is at risk.
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In article <35630008.74497073@207.14.113.10>, altnet.general wrote:
>
> On Wed, 20 May 1998 15:06:12 GMT, metro@alt.anonymous.messages (Metro)
> wrote:
> >
> >Please don't start your whining,egocentric,repetative bullshit here.
> >You and your cronies have already ruined a couple of newsgroups
> >I used to follow.It becomes obvious very quickly that your only goals
> >are to incite people and glorify your enormous ego.
> 
> I don't *know* what their motives are but they have uncovered someone
> who not only has appointed himself as the judge of what may be posted
> to *his* groups (based on content) but is issuing cancels against ALL
> posts (including yours) from Altopia to *his* groups. He cites
> Altopia's policies as justification for his actions.
> 
> I submit that any  whining,egocentric,repetative (sic) bullshit that
> informs Altopia users of such actions should be posted here and I
> encourage such future postings as well.
> 
> If you are opposed to Altopia's policies (which are Rosenthal's
> grounds for cancels) then you should state your reasons why those
> policies should be changed here.

Of course, so that no one mistakes it -- I'm not proposing that Altopia's
policies change -- but I am proposing that people protest to the
"austin.internet" and "austin.general" newsgroup about this kind of
censorship and motivate others to do so, too -- because it affects all
people (at one time or another, when someone just doesn't like the content
of your speech).


> 
> ----------------
> 
> From http://www.unicom.com/net-abuse/udp-report.cgi
> 
> Incident Class "udp-hindman" (type=charter)
>   Target:       austin.* postings by David Hindman aka Star Traveller
>   Reason:       charter violations
>   Initiated:    Sun May 17 20:05:57 CDT 1998
>   Complain-To:  aldeberan@alt.net, abuse@alt.net
>   Comments:     this UDP targets all postings from Altopia, see
> http://www.altopia.com/polfaq.htm
> 
> ----------------
> 
> I realize that the goal of a couple of Altopia users (assuming they're
> not the same person) is to find usenet censors and stir up shit by
> exposing them. Some Altopia users don't seem to realize that there is
> a price to be paid for the freedom Altopia affords us. Do you have any
> idea of the time CC puts into defending Altopia's policies in
> n.a.n.a.?

Well, two things here. First of all, I think Altopia users should be
active in supporting CC's policies and help him in defending Altopia in
whatever forum that he's in. So, people get out there and do so.

Then secondly, I don't know what two users you are referring to -- but I'm
only one user (for one point, not two aliases) and I certainly wasn't
looking for a censor when I got into a "consumer advocacy" position in the
Texas newsgroups -- but I saw a crooked ISP really slamming a customer
hard, and it was bad for all consumers. That's the least I could have done
-- which was to support truth in advertising and honest businesses in the
ISP business. And that was it -- for my big crimes for the UDP. I'll tell
you -- they don't seem to care if there are dishonest ISPs down there, if
all you get for criticizing dishonest and crooked practices is a UDP.
That's my gripe.

It's a fairly simple gripe -- but it has free speech ramifications for all
posters. So, I think all should be aware of it. If this kind of thing is
allowed (a simple ISP complaint/a consumer advocacy position) then I'm
sure all sorts of other things are being censored, too.

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xxx                                                              xxx
xxx                          A message                           xxx
xxx                from the original, one & only                 xxx
xxx                    --> Star Traveler <--                     xxx
xxx                      aldeberan@alt.net                       xxx
xxx        UDP-ed for warning about scam at Texas.Net ISP        xxx
xxx          Protest FOR free speech at austin.internet          xxx
xxx                                                              xxx

Does your news server allow forged cancels? That promotes censorship
on content. A UseNet Death Penalty was issued because of my warning
about a crooked ISP -- ** Texas.Net ** -- cheating the customers.
Complain in a post to austin.internet about the UDP and censorship!!
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-- 
If your name is below -- you are either an idiot, liar, useless,
troublemaker or deserve no response -- and as such will get no
further response -- preventing the "flooding" of the newsgroups.

Chris Edmonson <lostsoul@mail.com> [the fool I'm ignoring]
Star Traveler Too <star_traveler@inorbit.com> [the *fake* Star]