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"I-Hate-Spam" <I-Hate-Spam@att.net> wrote in message
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> If anybody knows where I can download the workbench 1.3 rom, PLEASE let me
> know.  I want it for the emulator program:  WinAUE

Legal:  www.cloanto.com

hardware: Ebay, a 500 can be had for $20

homegrown: search google, you may find a rom, you may find
a virus.

             Jim

contact me and i'll send you a link if i feel like it lol.
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The Amiga Forever package contains legal copies of what you need.

C Snyder


"I-Hate-Spam" <I-Hate-Spam@att.net> wrote in message
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> If anybody knows where I can download the workbench 1.3 rom, PLEASE let me
> know.  I want it for the emulator program:  WinAUE
>
>
>
> -=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> Check out my new "SHE DUMPED ME!" HOMEPAGE:
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On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 04:28:58 GMT, "Cameron B. Snyder"
<csnyder@triad.rr.com> wrote:

>The Amiga Forever package contains legal copies of what you need.
>
>C Snyder
>
>
>"I-Hate-Spam" <I-Hate-Spam@att.net> wrote in message
>news:sFcL9.55527$vM1.4438624@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> If anybody knows where I can download the workbench 1.3 rom, PLEASE let me
>> know.  I want it for the emulator program:  WinAUE
>>
>>
>>
>> -=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>> Check out my new "SHE DUMPED ME!" HOMEPAGE:
>>
>>          http://www.SHEDUMPEDME.net
>> -=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>
>>
what a loser, no wonder she dumped him

Yeah legal meaning you need to hand over money. They should just give it too
people for free. Greedy assholes.

"Cameron B. Snyder" <csnyder@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
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> The Amiga Forever package contains legal copies of what you need.
>
> C Snyder
>
>
> "I-Hate-Spam" <I-Hate-Spam@att.net> wrote in message
> news:sFcL9.55527$vM1.4438624@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > If anybody knows where I can download the workbench 1.3 rom, PLEASE let
me
> > know.  I want it for the emulator program:  WinAUE
> >
> >
> >
> > -=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> > Check out my new "SHE DUMPED ME!" HOMEPAGE:
> >
> >          http://www.SHEDUMPEDME.net
> > -=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> >
> >
>
>

> Yeah legal meaning you need to hand over money. They should just give it too
> people for free. Greedy assholes.
I am not even touching this one. What I wonder is how are they making
money off this old junk anyway? Just from the Amiga Forever? You got
to figure that the emulator itself is more valuable then some stupid
256k of code? Down with Metallica and Limp Biskit too!!! Power to the
people!!! I thought I said I wasn't touching this one.
Damn!!!
Paul
> 
> "Cameron B. Snyder" <csnyder@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:euaO9.89234$Fq3.2943490@twister.southeast.rr.com...
> > The Amiga Forever package contains legal copies of what you need.
> >
> > C Snyder
> >
> >
> > "I-Hate-Spam" <I-Hate-Spam@att.net> wrote in message
> > news:sFcL9.55527$vM1.4438624@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > > If anybody knows where I can download the workbench 1.3 rom,
PLEASE let
> me
> > > know.  I want it for the emulator program:  WinAUE
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> > > Check out my new "SHE DUMPED ME!" HOMEPAGE:
> > >
> > >          http://www.SHEDUMPEDME.net
> > > -=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> 
> 

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Delfina Lite Sound Card
Spectrum Card running at 1048x764x16 IL but no flicker
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"Paul Gable" <gremlinamiga@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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> > Yeah legal meaning you need to hand over money. They should just give it
too
> > people for free. Greedy assholes.
> I am not even touching this one. What I wonder is how are they making
> money off this old junk anyway? Just from the Amiga Forever? You got
> to figure that the emulator itself is more valuable then some stupid
> 256k of code? Down with Metallica and Limp Biskit too!!! Power to the
> people!!! I thought I said I wasn't touching this one.
> Damn!!!
> Paul


God these types of posts are always a good laugh with the dripping irony
in them.
"What I wonder is how are they making
> money off this old junk anyway?"

This week alone a conservative count on *just* newsgroups shows
at least 50 people *wanted* it so obviously it has value and want. ;-)

Simple, you want it and it's not free.....BUY it.  Otherwise keep wanting
or petition AI to release it.

           Jim

Those old ROMS should be free. Heck, Commodore failed as a company. They
left thousands with no support, no systems, especially CD32 owners. As soon
as they bought one, commodore went under! Do you think they cared that
customers just spent $300 on a dead product! Why the heck should we pay for
ROMS that are not even significant to todays market! Why should we even
support anyone trying to profit off of those old ROMS!? Which clearly even
AMIGA inc. shows no interest in. As far as im concerned that goes for the
old workbench system as well. Granted Amiga inc. owns them now, but what use
are they to them? Also What held Amiga together for all these years? Who
made it possible for Amiga inc. to even have a market to come back to? Yeah,
it was us. I think Any workbench and Roms pre 4.0 should be free.
It wont hurt sales of workbench 4.0+ because anyone who really uses the
amiga will buy it because of the major OS enhancments they will clearly
need. But hobbyists who still use amigas and emulation for fun will most
likey Not buy it. What real use would it be to them? Besides, Amiga inc. Is
only putting out new workbenches for us, they really have no serious
intetest in doing it. They will generate some money but not enough for it to
be significant in the computer market. So I clearly can't see why pre 4.0
workbech should not be free.
Heh, even Apple gives away there system 7.0 OS for free. Not that im
comparing, but showing how insignificant old software is to todays market.
Maybe we all need to make a fuss over this and start sending email to Amiga
inc.?
Anyway, thats how I feel. If anyone wants to sent email to Aimga inc. to
prompt them to make pre OS 4.0 and ROMS free, feel free to use parts of what
I have already written in your own emails.

in article 3E1AC27F.MD-1.4.4.gremlinamiga@bigfoot.com, Paul Gable at
gremlinamiga@bigfoot.com wrote on 1/7/03 3:03 PM:

>> Yeah legal meaning you need to hand over money. They should just give it too
>> people for free. Greedy assholes.
> I am not even touching this one. What I wonder is how are they making
> money off this old junk anyway? Just from the Amiga Forever? You got
> to figure that the emulator itself is more valuable then some stupid
> 256k of code? Down with Metallica and Limp Biskit too!!! Power to the
> people!!! I thought I said I wasn't touching this one.
> Damn!!!
> Paul
>> 
>> "Cameron B. Snyder" <csnyder@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:euaO9.89234$Fq3.2943490@twister.southeast.rr.com...
>>> The Amiga Forever package contains legal copies of what you need.
>>> 
>>> C Snyder
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "I-Hate-Spam" <I-Hate-Spam@att.net> wrote in message
>>> news:sFcL9.55527$vM1.4438624@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>> If anybody knows where I can download the workbench 1.3 rom,
> PLEASE let
>> me
>>>> know.  I want it for the emulator program:  WinAUE
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>> Check out my new "SHE DUMPED ME!" HOMEPAGE:
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.SHEDUMPEDME.net
>>>> -=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 

Hey Jim,
> 
> This week alone a conservative count on *just* newsgroups shows
> at least 50 people *wanted* it so obviously it has value and want. ;-)
> 
> Simple, you want it and it's not free.....BUY it.  Otherwise keep wanting
> or petition AI to release it.
> 
>            Jim
> 
> 
This is the old legalize drugs argument though!! If the ROMs were
free, there would be no demand. My point is that Microsoft doesn't
care about the old versions of DOS, Apple lets people download the
entire version fo system 6 and 7.5!!! In the meantime, old obsolete
"people don't even know they are around anymore" Amiga Inc. is holding
on to their ancient patents. Enough of this yawner of a conversation!!
Who really cares? No matter what we think, Amiga says no and that is
going to go until they finally draw their last breath. Shouldn't be
long now with the latest lie about the stupid Amiga One. Who is going
to buy that I wonder. More than 5000 people? Unlikely. Probably a few
hundred will be sold and this whole thing will be one big tax
writeoff. And BTW, these AmigaOnes will be worth NOTHING on the second
hand market. Hate to say it but you all have to know it is true. Who
wants a computer with no software, no support and nothing to make it
better than anything else out there? Puhleeze. The only reason there is a demand right now for old Amiga hardware is the fact that there is so much second hand software and shareware available for it.  Sorry this post got
long.
 Peace

Paul

-- 
Amiga 3000D Housed in a Toaster Oven Case(AKA Big Ugly)
Rev 9,  KS 3.1, 
Apollo 3060 @ 50Mhz, 64 Meg RAM
Delfina Lite Sound Card
Spectrum Card running at 1048x764x16 IL but no flicker
Hydra Amiganet Ethernet board using Cable modem
Envision 17" Flat screen monitor
9 gig Micropolis 1991AV SCSI(5.25 Full Height internal
with room to spare!) 
Yamaha SCSI 6X CDR still using MasterISO 2.5
Bigfoot 300 Watt Power Supply thank God!!

"Paul Gable" <gremlinamiga@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:3E1B5B64.MD-1.4.4.gremlinamiga@bigfoot.com...
> Hey Jim,
> >
> > This week alone a conservative count on *just* newsgroups shows
> > at least 50 people *wanted* it so obviously it has value and want. ;-)
> >
> > Simple, you want it and it's not free.....BUY it.  Otherwise keep
wanting
> > or petition AI to release it.
> >
> >            Jim
> >
> >
> This is the old legalize drugs argument though!! If the ROMs were
> free, there would be no demand.

That is so wrong on so many levels I'm surprised you even typed it.
Hmmm adictive drugs for free=no demand, yup that surely computes. ;-)

 My point is that Microsoft doesn't
> care about the old versions of DOS,

And oddly NO version of MSDOS or Windows is *FREE*
I wonder why? Just because you can pirate a version somewhere
without getting *caught* doesn't mean nobody cares about it.
Good grief.

Apple lets people download the
> entire version fo system 6 and 7.5!!!

How nice of them, but you forgot they come with a license
agreement you agree to only run them on Apple hardware.
That and they did not become available till OSX was in the
pipeline complete.

In the meantime, old obsolete
> "people don't even know they are around anymore" Amiga Inc. is holding
> on to their ancient patents. Enough of this yawner of a conversation!!
> Who really cares? No matter what we think, Amiga says no and that is
> going to go until they finally draw their last breath.
<snip>

It really doesn't matter does it. It's obvious people want them and
it's obvious they are owned IP. And I hardly think $29.00 for a fully
licensed ROM and complete OS install with AF is asking too much.
Anyone so damn grubby that can't part with what they pay a damn
month on net access to cry here about free stuff isn't any "future"
for the Amiga anyway.

                Jim

"Ravenwild" <dontemailme@spamkiller.com> wrote in message
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> Those old ROMS should be free. Heck, Commodore failed as a company. They
> left thousands with no support, no systems, especially CD32 owners. As
soon
> as they bought one, commodore went under! Do you think they cared that
> customers just spent $300 on a dead product! Why the heck should we pay
for
> ROMS that are not even significant to todays market! Why should we even
> support anyone trying to profit off of those old ROMS!?

<big SNIP>

BECAUSE AI IS NOT COMMODORE, go find Medhi Ali if you want
to complain about the past. Oh and BTW, I bought an Amiga in 1986,
hmm Commodore went under in 1994, doesn't seem the next day to me
for some reason.  Someone always has to be the *last* buyer from a
company going under, there is no way to magically make it un-happen.

And the irony drivels on. Obviously people *want* them so there is
a market *for* them.  You just spent a good 2 pages of drivel explaining
how they "aren't" worth anything?  Yup 2 pages worth just to say they
aren't worth anything.  Hmmm obviously they are.

                 Jim

in article k5RS9.2350$hG5.629541@news1.west.cox.net, Angelo at
jamesvigATT@cox.net wrote on 1/8/03 3:14 AM:

> 
> "Ravenwild" <dontemailme@spamkiller.com> wrote in message
> news:BA4116EC.BF01%dontemailme@spamkiller.com...
>> Those old ROMS should be free. Heck, Commodore failed as a company. They
>> left thousands with no support, no systems, especially CD32 owners. As
> soon
>> as they bought one, commodore went under! Do you think they cared that
>> customers just spent $300 on a dead product! Why the heck should we pay
> for
>> ROMS that are not even significant to todays market! Why should we even
>> support anyone trying to profit off of those old ROMS!?
> 
> <big SNIP>
> 
> BECAUSE AI IS NOT COMMODORE, go find Medhi Ali if you want
> to complain about the past. Oh and BTW, I bought an Amiga in 1986,
> hmm Commodore went under in 1994, doesn't seem the next day to me
> for some reason.  Someone always has to be the *last* buyer from a
> company going under, there is no way to magically make it un-happen.

<Giant SNIP>

If your going to comment at least pay attention! Did I not say CD32's? Did
you buy an Amiga CD32 in 1986? I think NOT! Cd32's came out in late 1993-94.
The same year commodore went under, geesh!

> And the irony drivels on. Obviously people *want* them so there is
> a market *for* them.  You just spent a good 2 pages of drivel explaining
> how they "aren't" worth anything?  Yup 2 pages worth just to say they
> aren't worth anything.  Hmmm obviously they are.
> 
> Jim

<Gargantuan SNIP>

Want, has nothing to do with it. Of course people want them! H-E-L-L-O!?
And where in my post did I ever say they were worthless? Can't find it can
you? I said they are insignificant to todays market. Which is absolutley
true. All you do is spout personal attacks becuase you can't create a valid
defending argument.  My post, hardly 2 pages, is perfectly to the point.
Unlike your remarks which are usless with no defending point.  All just
useless banter.
Give me a break, pre OS 4.0+ should be free. Not becuase I want them, Dude,
I already have them! But becuase why should anyone pay for something that is
clearly not useable for anything but reminissing and some entertainment. Oh,
and if your going to try and argue that they can be used for something other
that those, im sure there may well be. But why? And why pay for it when
there are plenty of other applications and OS's that can do it all for free.
The joy of playing with old software is fun, but I wouldnt pay for it,
puh-lease! You are just plain out of line and it's clear you have no
argument. 

Amiga inc. definetly has the right to make money on what they own, theres no
questioning that (also stated in my original post). But why bother? No vast
amount of income will come from it. Something others clearly understand.
Even game manufactures realise this by releasing thier old games for free.
Amiga would do better to release the ROMS and pre OS4.0 for free. For the
shear benifit of public relations.

"Ravenwild" <dontemailme@spamkiller.com> wrote in message
news:BA4293C5.C066%dontemailme@spamkiller.com...
> in article k5RS9.2350$hG5.629541@news1.west.cox.net, Angelo at
> jamesvigATT@cox.net wrote on 1/8/03 3:14 AM:
>
> >
> > "Ravenwild" <dontemailme@spamkiller.com> wrote in message
> > news:BA4116EC.BF01%dontemailme@spamkiller.com...
> >> Those old ROMS should be free. Heck, Commodore failed as a company.
They
> >> left thousands with no support, no systems, especially CD32 owners. As
> > soon
> >> as they bought one, commodore went under! Do you think they cared that
> >> customers just spent $300 on a dead product! Why the heck should we pay
> > for
> >> ROMS that are not even significant to todays market! Why should we even
> >> support anyone trying to profit off of those old ROMS!?
> >
> > <big SNIP>
> >
> > BECAUSE AI IS NOT COMMODORE, go find Medhi Ali if you want
> > to complain about the past. Oh and BTW, I bought an Amiga in 1986,
> > hmm Commodore went under in 1994, doesn't seem the next day to me
> > for some reason.  Someone always has to be the *last* buyer from a
> > company going under, there is no way to magically make it un-happen.
>
> <Giant SNIP>
>
> If your going to comment at least pay attention! Did I not say CD32's? Did
> you buy an Amiga CD32 in 1986? I think NOT! Cd32's came out in late
1993-94.
> The same year commodore went under, geesh!

Perhaps if you paid attention to your own post instead of looking like a
fool!
"They left thousands with no support"  then you said "especially CD32
owners"
Don't try to claim just CD32 which you didn't at the start. BTW, the
sales figures for the CD32's sold topped ONLY 2k vice millions for all
other Amigas combined.  That and the CD32 IS a game console, you know
you are buying a damn soon to be obsolete product at the start by it's
very nature.  Gee, any Sega Genesis owners out there?  Jaguar?
Nintendo Super System?
And did the people working at Commodore care? You better believe they
did, or perhaps you haven't seen the Deathbed Vigil video yet?
Or how about perusing the old groups msgs from employees, engineers,
programmers over the colapse of Commodore.
Quit crying over spilt milk already. Commodore died in 1994!
Now what the hell has that to do with making the OS free now?
Specifically the 3.1 kickstart roms which you *need* in order to
run the latest OS updates to 3.9 which is probably this biggest push
for the warez kiddies to grab the 3.1 kickstart roms, they can't run
any higher AmigaOS without them.

> > And the irony drivels on. Obviously people *want* them so there is
> > a market *for* them.  You just spent a good 2 pages of drivel explaining
> > how they "aren't" worth anything?  Yup 2 pages worth just to say they
> > aren't worth anything.  Hmmm obviously they are.
> >
> > Jim
>
> <Gargantuan SNIP>
>
> Want, has nothing to do with it. Of course people want them! H-E-L-L-O!?
> And where in my post did I ever say they were worthless? Can't find it can
> you? I said they are insignificant to todays market.

You seem to be having major comprehension problems.
If they are so sought after which they obviously are by the numbers of
people crying for them, they are NOT insignifigant in today's market.
You do understand what a market is right?  You don't lump everthing
computer together and call it "today's market"

 Which is absolutley
> true. All you do is spout personal attacks becuase you can't create a
valid
> defending argument.  My post, hardly 2 pages, is perfectly to the point.
> Unlike your remarks which are usless with no defending point.  All just
> useless banter.
> Give me a break, pre OS 4.0+ should be free. Not becuase I want them,
Dude,
> I already have them! But becuase why should anyone pay for something that
is
> clearly not useable for anything but reminissing and some entertainment.
Oh,
> and if your going to try and argue that they can be used for something
other
> that those, im sure there may well be. But why? And why pay for it when
> there are plenty of other applications and OS's that can do it all for
free.
> The joy of playing with old software is fun, but I wouldnt pay for it,
> puh-lease! You are just plain out of line and it's clear you have no
> argument.

Amazing, for someone who doesn't care for it you do drivel on endlessly
trying to prove a negative.  Quick question for you.  If they are so
insignificant and so unuseable why do so many damn people want them.
Why pay for it?  SO you're not just another goddamn thief.
Sorry if that concept is so hard for you to understand but since you
fall into that camp evident by your constant sidelining of what the issue
is, what's the point. If there are so many other OS's to do it, THEN USE
THEM for free.

> Amiga inc. definetly has the right to make money on what they own, theres
no
> questioning that (also stated in my original post). But why bother?

Your argument is a contradiction in itself, first you cry on and on
about how insignifcant it is and how horrible it is to have to pay
for it and it should be free then in the same two faced breath you
state the above gem!

No vast
> amount of income will come from it. Something others clearly understand.
> Even game manufactures realise this by releasing thier old games for free.
> Amiga would do better to release the ROMS and pre OS4.0 for free. For the
> shear benifit of public relations.

Then do cite these numerous game publishers that release their games
for *FREE* also since the OS is the IP of AI they and only they
have the choice to decide what to do with it.  If you don't like it
and it is so wrong then why are you crying here about it instead
of petitioning AI for something?  You just like to bitch for the sake
of bitching.  Nothing new.

                     Jim