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On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 21:25:50 +1000, "Kwyjibo" <kwyjibo@removeozdebate.com>
wrote:

>
>"Robert" <RB@..> wrote in message 
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>> On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:53:45 +1000, "Kwyjibo" <kwyjibo@removeozdebate.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Robert" <RB@..> wrote in message
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>>>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 06:29:15 GMT, "PhilD"
>>>> <phild351(removethis)c@yahoo.com.au>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>snipped
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here are some suggestions. Firstly, call on research bodies to devise
>>>>>> efficient
>>>>>> ways to collect surplus material. (Remember its heat content is
>>>>>> potentially
>>>>>> worth about $500 per tonne retail). Then:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Turn it into ethanol or gas for use as fuel.
>>>>>> Make brickettes out of it and use it for all kinds of heating.
>>>>>> Use it to heat water, which can be transported into townships and 
>>>>>> sold.
>>>>>> Burn it cleanly to generate electricity.
>>>>>> Use it for space heating of large buildings.
>>>>>> And note: The litter on a one-hectare block would easily run a steam 
>>>>>> car
>>>>>> for a
>>>>>> year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I think that you've been smoking too much forest products already.
>>>>
>>>> Gord, obviously another pyromaniac... ..
>>>>
>>>>>Have you actually thought about how it would have to be physically
>>>>>collected? The only problem you would solve is the world's unemployment
>>>>>problem, and that's just for doing it in Australia.
>>>>
>>>> At $400 per tonne, I think we could easily pay people $40/tonne to 
>>>> collect
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>
>>>It's not worth $400 per tonne, dickhead. That's a number you plucked from
>>>your arse.
>>
>> Heat of combustion: 5000 kwh per tonne.
>>
>> If you pay 8 cents for off peak electricity to run through your bar 
>> radiator,
>> it's worth $400 per tonne.
>> The normal rates are around 14 cents/kwh, making litter worth more like 
>> $700
>> per tonne.
>
>
>Nice number - Pity it's irrelevant
>Natural gas, petrol, electricity and such are priced based on how much 
>energy they produce and, more importantly, how easy they are to transport.
>Coal is worthwhile because of its relativily high energy:volume ratio.

You know nothing. These things are priced on what people will pay.

Petrol produces 11000 kwh/tonne... or about 1300 litres.

You pay about $1600 for that.
So a KwH produced from petrol is costing 15cents...roughly the same as our
domestic electricity or gas.

You can get it from forest litter or woodchip at a fraction of that price.
 

>> Incidentally, that goes for woodchip too...that we sell to the Japs for 
>> about
>> $30 a tonne.
>>

>> Well go out and get some.
>
>Why? You're the fuckwit going on about it. YOU go out and get some, 
>dickhead.

I have plenty already.

>
>> You could run a steam car for a year on ten tonnes of it....
>
>It'd be more economical to get methane gas from this ridiculous turd of a 
>post of yours.

Can't do the sums, eh, Dummy?
I'm not going to keep doing them for you.


>>>>>Do you realise that any material on the forest floor decays and releases
>>>>>CO2
>>>>>anyway. Do you know how much material decays in the tropics after our
>>>>>yearly
>>>>>wet season growth spurts. So please tell us the difference between it
>>>>>decaying and being burnt.
>>>>
>>>> Looking for excuses to BURN are you pyro?
>>>

>>>And how do you propose to get all of that forest litter TO the roads? 
>>>Giant
>>>garden vacuums?
>>
>> YWhy not? What the hell are CSIRO and the Universities for.....nursing 
>> homes
>> for useless academics or simething?
>
>ROFL. You really are a mindless fuckwit.

Have they ever done anything useful?


>>>That's what happened over summer in Victoria. What a huge success that 
>>>was,
>>>eh fuckwit.
>>
>> The Victorian fires were made far worse by the idiot firefighters who went
>> round setting everything on fire as soon as they saw a little smoke.
>
>Bullshit.

That's all you ever utter....

>> The main reason that fire was so bad was that the forest themselves have 
>> been
>> so heavily altered by logging that much of the undergrowth is highly 
>> flammable
>> and fire resistant.
>
>Highly flammable AND flame resistant?? More mindless shite.

'Fire resistant' means it recovers rapidly after fire, dummy.

>> The flammable stuff returns first...
>
>It's ALL flammable you mental lightweight.

What a waste of space this bloke is...