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"Robert" <RB@..> wrote in message 
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> On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 21:25:50 +1000, "Kwyjibo" <kwyjibo@removeozdebate.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Robert" <RB@..> wrote in message
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>>> On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:53:45 +1000, "Kwyjibo" 
>>> <kwyjibo@removeozdebate.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Robert" <RB@..> wrote in message
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>>>>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 06:29:15 GMT, "PhilD"
>>>>> <phild351(removethis)c@yahoo.com.au>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>snipped
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here are some suggestions. Firstly, call on research bodies to 
>>>>>>> devise
>>>>>>> efficient
>>>>>>> ways to collect surplus material. (Remember its heat content is
>>>>>>> potentially
>>>>>>> worth about $500 per tonne retail). Then:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Turn it into ethanol or gas for use as fuel.
>>>>>>> Make brickettes out of it and use it for all kinds of heating.
>>>>>>> Use it to heat water, which can be transported into townships and
>>>>>>> sold.
>>>>>>> Burn it cleanly to generate electricity.
>>>>>>> Use it for space heating of large buildings.
>>>>>>> And note: The litter on a one-hectare block would easily run a steam
>>>>>>> car
>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>> year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think that you've been smoking too much forest products already.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gord, obviously another pyromaniac... ..
>>>>>
>>>>>>Have you actually thought about how it would have to be physically
>>>>>>collected? The only problem you would solve is the world's 
>>>>>>unemployment
>>>>>>problem, and that's just for doing it in Australia.
>>>>>
>>>>> At $400 per tonne, I think we could easily pay people $40/tonne to
>>>>> collect
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It's not worth $400 per tonne, dickhead. That's a number you plucked 
>>>>from
>>>>your arse.
>>>
>>> Heat of combustion: 5000 kwh per tonne.
>>>
>>> If you pay 8 cents for off peak electricity to run through your bar
>>> radiator,
>>> it's worth $400 per tonne.
>>> The normal rates are around 14 cents/kwh, making litter worth more like
>>> $700
>>> per tonne.
>>
>>
>>Nice number - Pity it's irrelevant
>>Natural gas, petrol, electricity and such are priced based on how much
>>energy they produce and, more importantly, how easy they are to transport.
>>Coal is worthwhile because of its relativily high energy:volume ratio.
>
> You know nothing.

Okay, Schultz.

Wait a sec - I'll try a variation on your 'pyro' argument and see how things 
go....

> These things are priced on what people will pay.

And people scream about paying $150 a tonne for firewood, hippy fuckwit.

>
> Petrol produces 11000 kwh/tonne... or about 1300 litres.
>
> You pay about $1600 for that.
> So a KwH produced from petrol is costing 15cents...roughly the same as our
> domestic electricity or gas.

No shit, hippy fuckwit?

>
> You can get it from forest litter or woodchip

Which costs a lot more to gather, store and distribute , hippy fuckwit.

> at a fraction of that price.

Wrong. People would only be *willing* to pay a cheaper price but it would 
cost more to gather, store and distribute, which is why it's not economicaly 
viable, hippy fuckwit.

>>> Incidentally, that goes for woodchip too...that we sell to the Japs for
>>> about
>>> $30 a tonne.
>>>
>
>>> Well go out and get some.
>>
>>Why? You're the fuckwit going on about it. YOU go out and get some,
>>dickhead.
>
> I have plenty already.

That green stuff you've been smoking is not 'forest litter', hippy fuckwit.

>
>>
>>> You could run a steam car for a year on ten tonnes of it....
>>
>>It'd be more economical to get methane gas from this ridiculous turd of a
>>post of yours.
>
> Can't do the sums, eh, Dummy?
> I'm not going to keep doing them for you.

Pity that none of your sums have proven your idea to be economically viable, 
hippy fuckwit.

>
>
>>>>>>Do you realise that any material on the forest floor decays and 
>>>>>>releases
>>>>>>CO2
>>>>>>anyway. Do you know how much material decays in the tropics after our
>>>>>>yearly
>>>>>>wet season growth spurts. So please tell us the difference between it
>>>>>>decaying and being burnt.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking for excuses to BURN are you pyro?
>>>>
>
>>>>And how do you propose to get all of that forest litter TO the roads?
>>>>Giant
>>>>garden vacuums?
>>>
>>> YWhy not? What the hell are CSIRO and the Universities for.....nursing
>>> homes
>>> for useless academics or simething?
>>
>>ROFL. You really are a mindless fuckwit.
>
> Have they ever done anything useful?
>

Well, unless you consider reducing the risk of heart disease, making 
significant advances in cancer treatment and holding patents crucial to 
wireless communications 'useless', I would say they have definitely done 
some useful work, hippy fuckwit.

-- 
Kwyj.