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Neil  <weiserguy@sonic.net> wrote:
> ...
>Since there's been no country station in San Francisco for 18 months or 
>so since Entercom dropped it from 95.7 in favor of a low-performing 
>sports talker, do the cloud people have an opening here to launch 
>NashFM, and if they did, which station would they blow up to run it on?
>

KSAN was a country station 1980-1997.

    --bks

Neil <weiserguy@sonic.net> had written:
|  Cumulus owns three FM's here, KSAN, KFOG and KFFG. KFOG and KSAN were 
|  tied for #14 in the last ratings book with a 2.6. (KSAN's trend is at 
|  least upward, while KFOG's is flat.)
| 
|  Since there's been no country station in San Francisco for 18 months or 
|  so since Entercom dropped it from 95.7 in favor of a low-performing 
|  sports talker, do the cloud people have an opening here to launch 
|  NashFM, and if they did, which station would they blow up to run it on?

Country formats start and die in the Bay Area with some regularity. Only
KRTY has held on -- and I think there's one in the Santa Rosa area -- but
they benefit from their peripheral locations. Country might work in the
core of the Bay Area if done ironically (kind of the way KITS once
treated "modern rock"), but I don't think irony is something that
Cumulus features in any degree.

Cumulus' cost-cutting dream might be to put "Nash" on one FM signal and
a KGO simulcast on the other. 

Or would someone wave enough cash at 92.7? It's all speculation, of course,
in more ways than one.

-- 
Mark Roberts - E-Mail address is valid but I don't use Google Groups
If you quote, please quote only relevant passages and not the whole article.

country might be worth a try on 97.7, and not a big risk.

"Mark Roberts" <markrobt+usenet@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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> Neil <weiserguy@sonic.net> had written:
> |  Cumulus owns three FM's here, KSAN, KFOG and KFFG. KFOG and KSAN were
> |  tied for #14 in the last ratings book with a 2.6. (KSAN's trend is at
> |  least upward, while KFOG's is flat.)
> |
> |  Since there's been no country station in San Francisco for 18 months or
> |  so since Entercom dropped it from 95.7 in favor of a low-performing
> |  sports talker, do the cloud people have an opening here to launch
> |  NashFM, and if they did, which station would they blow up to run it on?
>
> Country formats start and die in the Bay Area with some regularity. Only
> KRTY has held on -- and I think there's one in the Santa Rosa area -- but
> they benefit from their peripheral locations. Country might work in the
> core of the Bay Area if done ironically (kind of the way KITS once
> treated "modern rock"), but I don't think irony is something that
> Cumulus features in any degree.
>
> Cumulus' cost-cutting dream might be to put "Nash" on one FM signal and
> a KGO simulcast on the other.
>
> Or would someone wave enough cash at 92.7? It's all speculation, of 
> course,
> in more ways than one.
>
> -- 
> Mark Roberts - E-Mail address is valid but I don't use Google Groups
> If you quote, please quote only relevant passages and not the whole 
> article.
> 

On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 00:48:02 EST, Mark Roberts
<markrobt+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

>Country formats start and die in the Bay Area with some regularity. Only
>KRTY has held on -- and I think there's one in the Santa Rosa area -- but
>they benefit from their peripheral locations. 

Are we forgetting "good ol' " KSAY, one of the AMers at the Bay Bridge
Toll Plaza?  It stayed country until Jim Gabbert bought it, not for
its coverage, certainly not for its decrepit physical plant, but that
the frequency - 1010 kHz - tied in with his "Wun-oh-wun" branding.

Phil Kane
Beaverton, OR

On 1/22/2013 9:56 AM, Phil Kane wrote:
>
> Are we forgetting "good ol' " KSAY, one of the AMers at the Bay Bridge
> Toll Plaza?  It stayed country until Jim Gabbert bought it, not for
> its coverage, certainly not for its decrepit physical plant, but that
> the frequency - 1010 kHz - tied in with his "Wun-oh-wun" branding.
>
> Phil Kane
> Beaverton, OR
>
Or "1370 radio KEEN".  I don't think I was around for KSAY - at least I 
don't remember it.  But for my testes KEEN did the best presentation of 
country I've heard in the Bay Area.

Dave B.

"Phil Kane" <Phil.Kane@nov.shmovz.ka.pop> wrote

> Are we forgetting "good ol' " KSAY, one of the AMers at the Bay Bridge
> Toll Plaza?  It stayed country until Jim Gabbert bought it, not for
> its coverage, certainly not for its decrepit physical plant, but that
> the frequency - 1010 kHz - tied in with his "Wun-oh-wun" branding.

I was a big fan of both KSAY 1010 and KEEN 1370, which were more Western 
than country, a big difference.  KSAY played Merle Haggard while the country 
music establishment turned away from him.  Haggard was an outlaw, singing 
about bad stuff while the country music establishment was trying to create a 
squeaky-clean image.  It's funny that they accepted "Okie from Muskogie", 
thinking it was a putdown of drugs hippies, while it was actually a putdown 
of the better-than-thou country moralists.

"Dave Barnett" <dave.dbarnettNO@SPAMgmail.com> wrote

> Or "1370 radio KEEN".  I don't think I was around for KSAY - at least I 
> don't remember it.  But for my testes KEEN did the best presentation of 
> country I've heard in the Bay Area.

KEEN was definitely a Western station.  This is a rerun for me to say 
following, but the audience here has changed since the last time I wrote 
this...

The first time I ventured into a radio station was when I was 9 years old 
and begged my parents to follow then antennas to the middle of the apricot 
orchards on Old Oakland Road and go visit KEEN.  This wasn't as absurdist as 
it sounds here because my mom had been a bit-part radio actress and knew her 
way around radio.

Anyhow, the DJ on the air at the time was Cottonseed Clark.  We went to the 
station and I was surprised to find out that Cottonseed was actually on 10 
1/2 inch reels of tape.  The young college dude running the board was 
playing back Cottonseed's voicetracks, etc.  What it was was that Cottonseed 
Clark was touring with his band somewhere.

The board op was very excited about something KEEN had gotten in during the 
previous few weeks: tape carts.  He demonstrated how they worked.  I also 
remember that the shelves were built so that each and every cart had a 
place, so nobody could take any "samples" home or anything without being 
visible.

At that time the spots were about some local egg seller, Sunlite Bread (the 
local dominant bakery and also the owner of KNTV at the time), and some farm 
machine company.  Nearly all their ads had something to do with farming, 
farm products, or Western wear -- boots, clothes, etc.

KEEN played largely Western music and some more mainstream country stuff, 
and they also promoted the hell out of their DJs, who for the most part had 
bands and played clubs around the area (Cottonseed Clark, Blackjack Wayne, 
Cactus Jack, etc.)

Western music played a big part in local radio, though it was before my 
time.  I have an aircheck somewhere of a Western music show on KGO featuring 
Cactus Jack and MC'd by none other than a pre-Dragnet Jack Webb, then a KGO 
staff announcer.  I also have some other airchecks of a couple morning shows 
on KGO featuring Western music and local DJs.

COUNTRY VS WESTERN:  This "country" versus "Western" music thing is a big 
sticking point with me because they are polar opposites.  "Country" has 
always emphasized church and family, dead relatives, lamenting about selling 
the farm, etc.

"Western" music, on the other hand, emphasized dancing, sexual innuendo 
("Pussy Pussy Pussy", "Big Balls in Cowtown", "Slippin' Around" (about 
cheating on one spouses), and when it got serious, the songs weren't about 
family but about being alone, the freedom of riding the trails, and about as 
much anti-family as one could get.