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Article #246Re: "Bring-It-On!" QUESTION: "...the dust of trivialization.
From: Buck
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:14
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:14
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OH! THE HORROR! THE HORROR!! "Auntie_Al" <Auntie_Al@techemail.com> wrote in message news:9b58e48d.0311171542.267c376d@posting.google.com... > Antediluvian Patriarch wrote: > > > > "Winston Smith, American Patriot" wrote: > > > > > > Bush Persona Non Grata > > > 11/17/2003 12:43 > > > 60% of Britons consider Bush threat to world peace > > <snip> > > > John ASHTEAD > > > LONDON UNITED KINGDOM > > > http://english.pravda.ru/world/20/91/365/11283_bushblair.html > > > > <> It is the posession of mere gherkins that is the source of their > > <> humiliation. > > > > http://web.bham.ac.uk/s.m.stocks.cen/Gherkins/Woman.jpg > > Pickled Gherkins > > > > Considered by many to be absolutely inedible, > > gherkins represent a major dietary constituent > > to many central or eastern European countries. > > If you ever go to the Czech republic and order > > "meat and two veg", what you will be served with > > is a slice of cow and two pickled gherkins. > > http://web.bham.ac.uk/s.m.stocks.cen/Gherkins/Woman.jpg > > You will also notice how variable the quality of > > gherkins is, and that some are, in fact, quite > > sexy like the one in the above picture. > > > > Factors affecting the quality of gherkins are: > > Crunchiness, Sourness, Sweetness, and Bitterness. > > Top quality gherkins are all of the first three > > and not at all bitter or soggy. > > http://web.bham.ac.uk/s.m.stocks.cen/Gherkins/GherkinNav.htm > > > > > > QUESTION: "...the dust of humiliation and disgrace." ? > > > > > > > > Now that the ongoing war in Iraq is officially regarded > > > > as a "Bring It On" front-line attack against terrorism, > > > > doesn't this send a confusing message to the innocent, > > > > law abiding, and peace-loving average citizen of Iraq, > > > > that our, 'coalition of the willing' forces, having > > > > once been set on "liberating" the people of Iraq from > > > > daily fear and oppression, are now intentionally > > > > transforming their embattled country into a magnet for > > > > all sorts of violent extremist elements and terrorists? > > > > How is the value of 'quality of life' measured and rated > > > > according to this evolving, geopolitical "new world > > > > order" standard?! [How Do *YOU* Feel?] > > > > "In January 2003, the U.S. Army and Defense > > Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) > > selected United Defense (UDI) to team with General > > Dynamics Land Systems (GDLS) and the Lead > > Systems Integrator (Boeing/SAIC) in the > > design of the ground vehicles portion of > > Future Combat Systems (FCS), a critical > > component of the Army's planned force > > transformation." > > http://www.uniteddefense.com/index.htm > > > > QUESTION: Who owns 'United Defense (UDI)'? > > ANSWER: "... The Carlyle Group purchased > > a majority stake..." > > > > The Carlyle Group: > > http://www.thecarlylegroup.com/eng/index.html > > > > Bechtel > > http://www.bechtel.com/ > > > > Bechtel's "Iraq Infrastructure Reconstruction Program" > > http://www.bechtel.com/iraq.html > > > > Halliburton > > http://www.halliburton.com/index.jsp > > > > Kellogg Brown and Root (KBR), a subsidiary of Halliburton > > http://www.halliburton.com/news/archive/2000/kbrnws_050800.jsp > > > > "Those who do not understand the new tactics of > > the opposition in Iraq should ask John Poindexter > > and Oliver North about the tactics they used to > > bring Nicaragua to its knees in the 1980's. > > The Us-backed Contras sabotaged every effort > > the Sandinistas made to rebuild the Nicaraguan > > infrastructure. Dick Cheney was around then, > > too. They even had a nice name for it: > > 'Low intensity conflict.'" --Editors Note: > > http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/081903D.shtml > > > > Tao Te Ching > > http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/gthursby/taoism/ttcmerel.htm > > > > http://www.conspiracydigest.com/carlyle_group.html > > "... The Chairman Emeritus of Carlyle Group is > > Frank C. Carlucci, whose claim to fame was Deputy > > Secretary of Defense (1981-1982) and National > > Security Adviser (1987-1989). After his government > > stint, he headed the Sears/ Coldwell Banker scam. > > > > "The current chairman of Carlyle Group is Lou Gerstner, > > the former Chairman of IBM. > > > > "Sir James Baker III, Chief of Staff (1981 -'85), and > > Secretary of Treasury (1985-'89) under Reagan; and > > Secretary of State (1989 - 1993) under > > George H. W. Bush Sr., is a 'Senior Advisor.' > > > > "Sir George Herbert Walker Bush, Director of CIA > > (1976-'77) under Ford; Vice-President (1981-'89) > > under Reagan; and President (1989 - '93), acts as > > a broker and also senior advisor. > > > > "Other name brand politicos connected to Carlyle > > include, former British prime minister John Major > > (Chairman of Carlyle Europe), Dick Darman, the > > former Reagan-Bush director of the Office of > > Management and Budget, and Arthur Levitt, former > > chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission > > and Carlyle Senior Advisor. ..." > > http://www.conspiracydigest.com/carlyle_group.html > > New ambassador to Saudi Arabia is > another Bush/Carlyle Group crony. > > http://www.truthout.org/docs_01/0662.Bush.Saudi.htm > > By Jonathan Ashley, Eyes On American > > Dallas attorney Robert Jordan was confirmed > Wednesday [2001] by the United States Senate to serve > as ambassador to Saudi Arabia. > > Jordan has no diplomatic experience. However, his > connections leave no doubt as to why he was named > to the post. He defended George W. Bush in a probe > of insider trading allegations in 1990. > The allegations involved the sale by Bush of 60% > of his Harken Energy Corp. stocks two months before > a 25% drop in the stock's price. According to a > 7 Sep 2000 article by the Associated Press, > "At the time of the investigation, Bush's father > was president of the United States and the SEC was > run by one of his biggest political supporters, > Richard Breeden. The SEC's then-general counsel, > James R. Doty, was another staunch presidential > supporter who as a private attorney was George > W. Bush's lawyer when he purchased his share of > the Texas Rangers baseball team." > > This is not Jordan's only connection to the Bush > family. Jordan is a corporate lawyer in the Dallas > office of Houston-based Baker Botts. Baker Botts > has an office in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. The client > list at Baker Botts includes "more than half of > the Fortune 100 companies". The client list also > includes The Carlyle Group. On the board of > directors for Carlyle is former President George > Herbert Walker Bush. > > James A. Baker III is the current Baker in Baker > Botts. Baker was Secretary of State under the first > President Bush. He is currently senior counsel to > The Carlyle Group. Baker was a classmate of > Donald H. Rumsfeld at Yale University. Rumsfeld, > the current Secretary of Defense, was the > roommate of Frank C. Carlucci at Yale. > > Carlucci, who was head of the National Security > Counsel under President Ronald Reagan, is > currently chairman of The Carlyle Group. > > The current President Bush was a director of > Caterair during the years 1990-1994. Caterair is > owned by The Carlyle Group. > > The board of directors of The Carlyle Group also > includes: former Phillipines President, Fidel > V. Ramos; former director of the U.S. Office of > Management & Budget, Richard Darman; former > Assistant to the President (Bush I), Robert Grady; > former Prime Minister of South Korea, Park Tae Joon; > former SEC chairman, Arthur Levitt; former Prime > Minister of Great Britain, John Major; former > general director of the World Health Organization, > Michael Orloff; retired U.S. Army General, > J. H. Binford Peay; former president of Deutsche > Bundesbank, Karl Otto Pohl; and former chairman of > the Joint Chief's of Staff, John Shalikashvili. > > Two-thirds of Carlyle's holdings are in defense > and telecommunications companies. > > At leaset $2 million of Carlyle funding has come > from the bin Laden family of Saudi Arabia. > http://www.truthout.org/docs_01/0662.Bush.Saudi.htm > > > > > > > > ***************************************************************** > > > > > > > > MEMRI: The Middle East Media Research Institute > > > > http://memri.org/ > > > > > > > > Nov 14 SR# 22 - 2003 Palestinian Authority Textbook > > > > Calls for Jihad and Martyrdom > > > > http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SR2203 > > > > > > > > Nov 14 SD# 609 - Al-Qa'ida Commander in Iraq: 'A Terror > > > > Attack Against the U.S. With 100,000 Deaths > > > > is Imminent; We Ordered the Riyadh Bombing' ** > > > > http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD60903 > > > > > > > > Nov 13 SD# 608 - Three Fatah Leaders Visit Washington, D.C. > > > > http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD60803 > > > > > > > > Nov 12 SD# 607 - Arafat's National Security Advisor Jibril Rjoub: > > > > 'The U.S. Administration is a Fascist > > > > Administration,' 'The Iraqi Opposition to the > > > > American Occupation Must be Increased' > > > > http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD60703 > > <snip> > > > > GIAT Industries: > > http://www.giat-industries.fr/us_index.asp > > > > Space and Naval Warfare Systems Command > > http://enterprise.spawar.navy.mil > > > > National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) > > http://www.nro.gov > > > > Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) > > http://www.darpa.mil > > > > The Security Council > > http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/index.htm > > > > Confirmed coalition deaths: > > http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/ > > > > *Rebuilding Iraq Conference* Arlington, Virginia > > GET IN ON THE GROUND FLOOR! > > IRAQ IS OPEN FOR BUSINESS!!! > > http://www.new-fields.com/Iraq/ > > > > AL QAEDA'S AGENDA FOR IRAQ > > By AMIR TAHERI > > > > September 4, 2003 -- 'IT is not the American war machine > > that should be of the utmost concern to Muslims. > > What threatens the future of Islam, in fact its very > > survival, is American democracy." This is the message of > > a new book, just published by al Qaeda in several Arab > > countries. The author of "The Future of Iraq and The > > Arabian Peninsula After The Fall of Baghdad" is Yussuf > > al-Ayyeri, one of Osama bin Laden's closest associates > > since the early '90s. A Saudi citizen also known by the > > nom de guerre Abu Muhammad, he was killed in a gun battle > > with security forces in Riyadh last June. > > The book is published by The Centre for Islamic Research > > and Studies, a company set up by bin Laden in 1995 with > > branches in New York and London (now closed). Over the > > past eight years, it has published more than 40 books by > > al Qaeda "thinkers and researchers" including militants > > such as Ayman al-Zawahiri, bin Laden's No. 2. > > Al-Ayyeri first made his name in the mid '90s as a > > commander of the Farouq camp in eastern Afghanistan, > > where al Qaeda and the Taliban trained thousands of > > "volunteers for martyrdom." > > Al-Ayyeri argues that the history of mankind is the > > story of "perpetual war between belief and unbelief." > > Over the millennia, both have appeared in different > > guises. As far as belief is concerned, the absolutely > > final version is represented by Islam, which "annuls all > > other religions and creeds." Thus, Muslims can have only > > one goal: converting all humanity to Islam and "effacing > > the final traces of all other religions, creeds and > > ideologies." Unbelief (kufr) has come in numerous forms > > and shapes, but with a single objective: to destroy faith > > in God. In the West, unbelief has succeeded in making a > > majority of people forget God and worship the world. > > Islam, however, is resisting the trend because Allah > > means to give it final victory. > > Al-Ayyeri then shows how various forms of unbelief > > attacked the world of Islam in the past century or so, > > to be defeated in one way or another. > > > > The first form of unbelief to attack was "modernism" > > (hidatha), which led to the caliphate's destruction > > and the emergence in the lands of Islam of states > > based on ethnic identities and territorial dimensions > > rather than religious faith. > > The second was nationalism, which, imported from Europe, > > divided Muslims into Arabs, Persians, Turks and others. > > Al-Ayyeri claims that nationalism has now been crushed > > in almost all Muslim lands. He claims that a true Muslim > > is not loyal to any particular nation-state. > > The third form of unbelief is socialism, which includes > > communism. That, too, has been defeated and eliminated > > from the Muslim world, Al-Ayyeri asserts. He presents > > Ba'athism, the Iraqi ruling party's ideology under > > Saddam Hussein, as the fourth form of unbelief to afflict > > Muslims, especially Arabs. Ba'athism (also the official > > ideology of the Syrian regime) offers Arabs a mixture of > > pan-Arabism and socialism as an alternative to Islam. > > Al-Ayyeri says Muslims "should welcome the destruction > > of Ba'athism in Iraq." > > "The end of Ba'ath rule in Iraq is good for Islam and > > Muslims," he writes. "Where the banner of Ba'ath has > > fallen, shall rise the banner of Islam." > > The author notes as "a paradox" the fact that all the > > various forms of unbelief that threatened Islam were > > defeated with the help of the Western powers, and more > > specifically the United States. > > The "modernizing" movement in the Muslim world was > > ultimately discredited when European imperial powers > > forced their domination on Muslim lands, turning the > > Westernized elite into their "hired lackeys." > > The nationalists were defeated and discredited in wars > > led against them by various Western powers or, in the > > case of Nasserism in Egypt, by Israel. > > The West also gave a hand in defeating socialism and > > communism in the Muslim world. The most dramatic example > > of this came when America helped the Afghan mujaheeden > > destroy the Soviet-backed communist regime in Kabul. > > And now the United States and its British allies have > > destroyed Ba'athism in Iraq and may have fatally > > undermined it in Syria as well. > > What Al-Ayyeri sees now is a "clean battlefield" in > > which Islam faces a new form of unbelief. This, he > > labels "secularist democracy." This threat is "far > > more dangerous to Islam" than all its predecessors > > combined. The reasons, he explains in a whole chapter, > > must be sought in democracy's "seductive capacities." > > This form of "unbelief" persuades the people that they > > are in charge of their destiny and that, using their > > collective reasoning, they can shape policies and pass > > laws as they see fit. That leads them into ignoring > > the "unalterable laws" promulgated by God for the whole > > of mankind, and codified in the Islamic shariah > > (jurisprudence) until the end of time. > > The goal of democracy, according to Al-Ayyeri, is to > > "make Muslims love this world, forget the next world > > and abandon jihad." If established in any Muslim > > country for a reasonably long time, democracy could > > lead to economic prosperity, which, in turn, would > > make Muslims "reluctant to die in martyrdom" in > > defense of their faith. > > He says that it is vital to prevent any normalization > > and stabilization in Iraq. Muslim militants should make > > sure that the United States does not succeed in holding > > elections in Iraq and creating a democratic government. > > "If democracy comes to Iraq, the next target [for > > democratization] would be the whole of the Muslim > > world," Al-Ayyeri writes. > > The al Qaeda ideologist claims that the only Muslim > > country already affected by "the beginning of > > democratization" and thus in "mortal danger" is Turkey. > > "Do we want what happened in Turkey to happen to all > > Muslim countries?" he asks. "Do we want Muslims to > > refuse taking part in jihad and submit to secularism, > > which is a Zionist-Crusader concoction?" > > Al-Ayyeri says Iraq would become the graveyard of > > secular democracy, just as Afghanistan became the > > graveyard of communism. The idea is that the Americans, > > faced with mounting casualties in Iraq, will "just run > > away," as did the Soviets in Afghanistan. This is > > because the Americans love this world and are concerned > > about nothing but their own comfort, while Muslims > > dream of the pleasures that martyrdom offers in paradise. > > "In Iraq today, there are only two sides," Al-Ayyeri > > asserts. "Here we have a clash of two visions of the > > world and the future of mankind. The side prepared to > > accept more sacrifices will win." > > Al-Ayyeri's analysis may sound naive; he also gets most > > of his facts wrong. But he is right in reminding the > > world that what happens in Iraq could affect other Arab > > countries - in fact, the whole of the Muslim world. > > AL QAEDA'S AGENDA FOR IRAQ > > E-mail: amirtaheri@benadorassociates.com > > > > [<http://www.yaislah.org/englishnew.htm>] > > The Movement for Islamic Reform in Arabia >
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