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Jack wrote:
> DiscoDuck wrote:
> >
> > smn wrote:
> > > So you assume that because I ride a bike I do it because I cannot afford a
> > > car ie most cyclists pay  lower taxes.  That is just outright prejudice and
> > > very ignorant.
> >
> > Call it what you want, but generally it is true.
>
> No You are being prejudicial. Lots of rich people drive bikes.

I didn't say rich people didn't rride bikes.  I said "GENERALLY"
speaking.  Re-read, jack.

>
> >
> > > Cycling is becoming more popular again with the older crowd.  Look at all
> > > the road bikes this summer.  I have a higher middle class income.
> > > We all pay for gst and pst so buying a car has nothing to do with it that is
> > > your disposable income and we all pay the same.
> >
> > The questions was who pays more in Taxes.  You said bicyclists do which
> > is patently ridiculous.  And of course the sales tax counts.
>
> Who pays more cost as a ratio of amount paid versus damage done to
> roads.
>
> THE CYCLIST!!!
>
> Also since federal gas taxes do not fund provincial or municipal roads
> the cyclists who pays the same taxes to build roads yet does not do the
> same damage to roads, or life pays proportionally more tax (sales tax,
> and property taxes).

The cyclist pays the same, but the driver pays ADDITIONAL taxes, in
gas, purchaes price, etc..   How you can possible dispute that is just
ridiculous.  Cyclist pay NO road tax whatsoever.
IN addition, there are more rich drivers than cyclists and they pay
more in income tax, etc.

> > > We all pay to repair roads and everything else that goes with it when we do
> > > not even use it.  Cyclists do not require damage repair from what we do.
> > > So, drivers depend on our handouts.    We do not kill people by running into
> > > them either.  It is a might is right situation with some ignorant people
> > > unfortuneately which is where you are coming from.  Drivers are babies.
> >
> > No where do I say might is right.  You made a ridiculous statement
> > about how cyclist pay more.  Plain nuts which is where YOU are coming
> > from.
> >
> > By the way, do you know HOW many cyclists get killed by cars each year?
> >  I thought not.
>
> Actually proportionally there are less cyclist deaths and injuries per
> year
> than from motor vehicles. In other words it is safer to drive a bicycle,
> although knowledgeable safe cyclist fair better than uneducated
> cyclists.
> Note: I am talking about education and awareness, not helmets.

HERE I agree with you.  I feel you are safer on a bike.  You are can
maneuver far more than in a car.

>
> > >     Jail terms?  That would be for causing death by negligence.  If someone
> > > stole my bike I am quite sure they are not going to be killing people with
> > > it in the getaway process.  Give people stuff for free all their life like
> > > roads and they abuse it.
> >
> > How many people are killed by stolen cars a year?
>
> Actually motor vehicle injuries and deaths people operating stolen
> motor vehicles are significant. How many die by getting hit by a
> stolen bicycle?

And again, that # is?
I'm sure more people are killed from stolen bicycles than stolen
skateboards.  Your point?


>
> >
> > > You think because someone pays $20,000 for a car they have more rights than
> > > me.  Twisted  You do not have a clue about anything obviously.
> >
> > I use to think like you until I was enlightened.  Until people who
> > wanted a helmet law said "Why should my tax dollars pay for your head
> > injury".  That is when I realized money was more important to those
> > people, than freedom of choice.  So to be consistent with their
> > argument about their tax dollar being the almighty, I agree with them
> > that the more you pay-the more rights you have.  I don't like it, but
> > that is what in fact supporters of the law are saying.
>
> Nothing to be enlightened about. The law is the same for motorist and
> cyclist.
> The both have the same rights and the same privileges.

Actually that is incorrect.  You do not require (nor should) a license
for cycling.  A drivers license is a privilege-riding a bike is right.
In addition bikes can legally be in lots and lots and lots of places
that cars cannot.  You often see signs prohibiting cars from going and
the sign will specifically exclude bikes from that law.
Bicycles can ride along paths off road etc.  Cars cannot.
Although the phrase "The both have the same rights and the same
privileges." sounds "good" it is utter nonsense.  The two have far more
difference than similarities.  The only similarity they have, is that
they are both modes of transportation-but vastly different.