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What he means is when you are sharing the road you have the same rights and 
obligations.  Stop being such a blockhead.
    I know I will have to call the police several times this summer to 
report harrassment and life threatening behavior by drivers.   Because they 
think it is their right and they probably think all drivers think like them 
otherwise they would feel humiliated.  Not likely, they want to show off and 
show how powerful they all are.  If I only had a gun with blanks.
    The point I was trying to make is drivers by definition do not have to 
pay more taxes just to drive a car except for the piddly gas tax.
Everyones taxes goes to road repair and development, police, hospitals, 
courts all which are involved in the maintenance of good traffic performance 
and safety.  I do not need any of it and am harrassed by the very people I 
am carrying on my back.  They think that is funny to buzz you and make you 
look like an idiot.  Not what I call appreciation at all.  They slow me down 
not visa versa on top of it.  What do you think the Burrard St.  bike runs 
are for.  They are needed in my estimation.  Cars/drivers get everything 
spent on them.
    If everyone walked or cycled instead of drove the motorists would be 
happier too but they are too dim for that.  It takes a gas hike for them to 
get to it.   It takes alot of dead cyclists too.  Do not know how many yet. 
Why don't you tell me.  You do not believe anything I tell you.   In all 
walks of life there are trade offs for protection vs freedom.  IE condoms, 
terrorists, military.   border crossings, foreign mail, immigration,  You do 
not want protection in other words.  Traffic law is for everyones 
protection.  Have to use it for it to work also.

If you got a ticket for crossing a crosswalk on a bike that cop was having a 
bad day or they are after you for something.

    you say "Call it what you want, but generally it is true" about cyclists 
not paying much tax.    That would mean until they get a job then.  What 
about the ones that continue riding after they get a job and throughout 
their life.  There are more people over 20 than there are below 20 so 
chances are...BTW,Bikers who do not wear helmuts are usually on the sidewalk 
and smoking a cigarette at the same time.  Kids do not generally ride on the 
road either so you can subtract those two groups all together.  I am saying 
my rights on the road are not recognized by anyone in a car generally 
speaking.  Otherwise they would not be showing off how stupid they are. 
One you may not know is you are suppose to ride 1.5 metres away from parked 
cars in case they open a door.  Well, do you really think drivers care if 
you get hit.  They would never give you enough room.  That is why I have to 
ride slower and I should not have to.  So if I piss them off because I am 
doing what is right by my safety and which the law considers my right why 
does it matter who pays more taxes anyway.  We all pay the same and have the 
same rights.  Might is right because you pay more taxes is what you tried to 
make us believe

smn

"DiscoDuck" <fornewsgroups@shaw.ca> wrote in message 
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>
> Jack wrote:
>> DiscoDuck wrote:
>> >
>> > smn wrote:
>> > > So you assume that because I ride a bike I do it because I cannot 
>> > > afford a
>> > > car ie most cyclists pay  lower taxes.  That is just outright 
>> > > prejudice and
>> > > very ignorant.
>> >
>> > Call it what you want, but generally it is true.
>>
>> No You are being prejudicial. Lots of rich people drive bikes.
>
> I didn't say rich people didn't rride bikes.  I said "GENERALLY"
> speaking.  Re-read, jack.
>
>>
>> >
>> > > Cycling is becoming more popular again with the older crowd.  Look at 
>> > > all
>> > > the road bikes this summer.  I have a higher middle class income.
>> > > We all pay for gst and pst so buying a car has nothing to do with it 
>> > > that is
>> > > your disposable income and we all pay the same.
>> >
>> > The questions was who pays more in Taxes.  You said bicyclists do which
>> > is patently ridiculous.  And of course the sales tax counts.
>>
>> Who pays more cost as a ratio of amount paid versus damage done to
>> roads.
>>
>> THE CYCLIST!!!
>>
>> Also since federal gas taxes do not fund provincial or municipal roads
>> the cyclists who pays the same taxes to build roads yet does not do the
>> same damage to roads, or life pays proportionally more tax (sales tax,
>> and property taxes).
>
> The cyclist pays the same, but the driver pays ADDITIONAL taxes, in
> gas, purchaes price, etc..   How you can possible dispute that is just
> ridiculous.  Cyclist pay NO road tax whatsoever.
> IN addition, there are more rich drivers than cyclists and they pay
> more in income tax, etc.
>
>> > > We all pay to repair roads and everything else that goes with it when 
>> > > we do
>> > > not even use it.  Cyclists do not require damage repair from what we 
>> > > do.
>> > > So, drivers depend on our handouts.    We do not kill people by 
>> > > running into
>> > > them either.  It is a might is right situation with some ignorant 
>> > > people
>> > > unfortuneately which is where you are coming from.  Drivers are 
>> > > babies.
>> >
>> > No where do I say might is right.  You made a ridiculous statement
>> > about how cyclist pay more.  Plain nuts which is where YOU are coming
>> > from.
>> >
>> > By the way, do you know HOW many cyclists get killed by cars each year?
>> >  I thought not.
>>
>> Actually proportionally there are less cyclist deaths and injuries per
>> year
>> than from motor vehicles. In other words it is safer to drive a bicycle,
>> although knowledgeable safe cyclist fair better than uneducated
>> cyclists.
>> Note: I am talking about education and awareness, not helmets.
>
> HERE I agree with you.  I feel you are safer on a bike.  You are can
> maneuver far more than in a car.
>
>>
>> > >     Jail terms?  That would be for causing death by negligence.  If 
>> > > someone
>> > > stole my bike I am quite sure they are not going to be killing people 
>> > > with
>> > > it in the getaway process.  Give people stuff for free all their life 
>> > > like
>> > > roads and they abuse it.
>> >
>> > How many people are killed by stolen cars a year?
>>
>> Actually motor vehicle injuries and deaths people operating stolen
>> motor vehicles are significant. How many die by getting hit by a
>> stolen bicycle?
>
> And again, that # is?
> I'm sure more people are killed from stolen bicycles than stolen
> skateboards.  Your point?
>
>
>>
>> >
>> > > You think because someone pays $20,000 for a car they have more 
>> > > rights than
>> > > me.  Twisted  You do not have a clue about anything obviously.
>> >
>> > I use to think like you until I was enlightened.  Until people who
>> > wanted a helmet law said "Why should my tax dollars pay for your head
>> > injury".  That is when I realized money was more important to those
>> > people, than freedom of choice.  So to be consistent with their
>> > argument about their tax dollar being the almighty, I agree with them
>> > that the more you pay-the more rights you have.  I don't like it, but
>> > that is what in fact supporters of the law are saying.
>>
>> Nothing to be enlightened about. The law is the same for motorist and
>> cyclist.
>> The both have the same rights and the same privileges.
>
> Actually that is incorrect.  You do not require (nor should) a license
> for cycling.  A drivers license is a privilege-riding a bike is right.
> In addition bikes can legally be in lots and lots and lots of places
> that cars cannot.  You often see signs prohibiting cars from going and
> the sign will specifically exclude bikes from that law.
> Bicycles can ride along paths off road etc.  Cars cannot.
> Although the phrase "The both have the same rights and the same
> privileges." sounds "good" it is utter nonsense.  The two have far more
> difference than similarities.  The only similarity they have, is that
> they are both modes of transportation-but vastly different.
>