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In article <gumbach.373.2F1B1B9B@hookup.net>
           gumbach@hookup.net "Gary  Umbach" writes:

> In article <790293601snz@crecon.demon.co.uk> Octobersdad@crecon.demon.co.uk
>  ("T. Bruce Tober") writes:

> >In article <gumbach.372.2F1962C3@hookup.net>
> >           gumbach@hookup.net "Gary  Umbach" writes:
> 
> >> >Yes and give women the right to control their own bodies and decide when 
> >> >child birth is right for them....
> >> 
> >>  I thought they already had that right, can't they just say no ?
> 
> >Sure, same way as people "just say no" to drugs. Soon as 100% of men
> >realise that no means NO and not maybe or yes, then maybe it will
> >work to just say no. Soon as the government funds with a living
> >subsidy single parents. Soon as women stop being raped and having
> >incestuous actions perpetrated on them. Soon as the million and one
> >reasons for women being unable or unwilling to bear the results of a
> >pregnancy, then maybe Just Saying No will be a valid alternative. I
> >suspect that will happen when purple polka dotted giraffes learn to
> >fly.
> 
> >> 
> >>  Silly me, but if ya don't have sex ya can't get pregnant, right ?
> >> 
> >Silly me, trying to argue rational points with someone as juvenile as
> >you.
> 
> 
> >   Copyright (c) 1995 T. Bruce Tober    All Rights Reserved
> 
>  You know, your response is so typical of you 'blame everybody else' types.

And yours of the know-nothing conservative types, so what's yer
point, if you have one.
> 
>  You whine and complain about how bad everyone treats you, how you're such

And where was I doing that precisely. I was talking about women and
their right to an abortion. Last I looked I might be able to help
create a baby but not to bear it. I see no indication of having
complained about how badly I may or may not have been treated by
"everyone".

Perhaps you need reading lessons.

> a weak and oppressed little wimp. Don't you think it's about time YOU stop 

You have no way of knowning I'm not a 6'5" muscle bound iron pumbing
bouncer. Not that I am, but you have no way of knowing that. It's a
rather dangerous assumption to make, let alone to state publicly that
someone you've never met is whatever.

> behaving as a juvenile and start accepting responsibility for your actions.

You also have no idea of my behaviour only my written comments and in
no way are they juvenile. And nowhere in those comments did I reject,
or have any reason to, my responsiblities for my actions, since I
wasn't speaking of myself. 

You really do need reading and comprehension lessons.
> 
>         The VAST majority of pregnancies in this country are NOT the
> result of incest, rape or other types of 'forced' sexual intercourse. Many

Another case of not reading accurately or not comprehending what you
read. Where is it I said the "vast majority of pregnancies in this country 
are <NOT> the result of incest, rape or other types of 'forced' sexual 
intercourse"? Read carefully, you'll see that I never made such a
claim.

> are the result of laziness and/or foolishness and it's about time men AND
> women took equal responsibilities for their actions. If you don't want to get

On that I will agree with you, I never suggested otherwise. And one
way both men and women can do so is for women to carefully consider
their options and take whichever legal option she considers most
appropriate and men can do so by allowing women to do so, but even
more so by acting responsibly in the first place and using protection
when engaging in sex.

> pregnant say no or take precautions. Stop waiting for government handouts
> and others to take care of you.

I absolutely agree. But if an accident does happen, and they do, then
what would you have happen, the woman and child live rough, out in
the streets. That's a much more costly financially, societally, and
in various other ways, outcome than providing welfare would be.

> 
>         Stop the whine, be an adult.

Get a life and some reading lessons.


   Copyright (c) 1995 T. Bruce Tober    All Rights Reserved

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Octobersdad@crecon.demon.co.uk     |Kindled a flame I still deplore."

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