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In article <790398278snz@crecon.demon.co.uk> Octobersdad@crecon.demon.co.uk ("T. Bruce Tober") writes:



>> a weak and oppressed little wimp. Don't you think it's about time YOU stop 

>You have no way of knowning I'm not a 6'5" muscle bound iron pumbing
>bouncer. Not that I am, but you have no way of knowing that. It's a
>rather dangerous assumption to make, let alone to state publicly that
>someone you've never met is whatever.

   Physical size has no relation to your mental size or abilities.


>> behaving as a juvenile and start accepting responsibility for your actions.

>You also have no idea of my behaviour only my written comments and in
>no way are they juvenile. And nowhere in those comments did I reject,
>or have any reason to, my responsiblities for my actions, since I
>wasn't speaking of myself. 

   If you were able to label me through reading my comments as juvenile,
then I should be allowed the same latitude.

>You really do need reading and comprehension lessons.
>> 
>>         The VAST majority of pregnancies in this country are NOT the
>> result of incest, rape or other types of 'forced' sexual intercourse. Many

>Another case of not reading accurately or not comprehending what you
>read. Where is it I said the "vast majority of pregnancies in this country 
>are <NOT> the result of incest, rape or other types of 'forced' sexual 
>intercourse"? Read carefully, you'll see that I never made such a
>claim.


  You of course implied that most unwanted pregnancies are the result
of some kind of force or persuasion.

>> are the result of laziness and/or foolishness and it's about time men AND
>> women took equal responsibilities for their actions. If you don't want to get

>On that I will agree with you, I never suggested otherwise. And one
>way both men and women can do so is for women to carefully consider
>their options and take whichever legal option she considers most
>appropriate and men can do so by allowing women to do so, but even
>more so by acting responsibly in the first place and using protection
>when engaging in sex.

   Allowing someone to do as they wish is hardly accepting equal 
responsibility,in fact it is the abdication of responsibility.

>> pregnant say no or take precautions. Stop waiting for 
government handouts>> and others to take care of you.

>I absolutely agree. But if an accident does happen, and they do, then
>what would you have happen, the woman and child live rough, out in
>the streets. That's a much more costly financially, societally, and
>in various other ways, outcome than providing welfare would be.

   I hardly think that there are that many 'accidents' every year in this 
country. As long as you or others are willing to absolve people of there
responsibilities as soon as difficulties arise, they will continue to
behave in an irresponsible manner.
 
>>         Stop the whine, be an adult.

>Get a life and some reading lessons.

 If you took the time to read your own posts, you would be aware that you
are violating your advice to me. As you have said above, you have no way
of knowing whether or not I have a life, so you should refrain from making
such general statements. [ that is of course, IF you follow your own advice]

  One large difficulty in the above debate is that persons such as yourself are
so firmly entrenched in the belief that you are right, you refuse to consider
any other point of view. You will then berate and ridicule the other viewpoint
in an attempt to appear superior, this however is doomed to failure since the
knife cuts both ways.

  Abortion may be an option for rape/incest, I do not believe it should be used
as a state funded method of birth control unless those that object to it are 
allowed to opt out of the payments for said convenience.

  Any women [ or man ] has the option to participate in a procreative activity 
or to not participate, they also have the option to take precautions or not.
Once those choices have been made certain consequences may occur,
why should they be able to escape these consequences ?

  I am against ANY state sponsored program that allows people to make
irresponsible choices [ or thoughtless ones ] and then escape the consequences.