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Article #64125Re: Opting Out
From: Brent Kennedy
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 01:30
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 01:30
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In article <1992Sep24.154244.19157@unixg.ubc.ca> daniel@redwood.ppc.ubc.ca (Daniel Ouellet) writes: >In article <1992Sep24.015509.4243@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca>, brent@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca (Brent Kennedy) writes: >|> >|> Please realize that this is exactly what the government is presently >|> doing to physicians. Last year the 'claw-back' was approx. $5000 per >|> physician. How would you like your employer to ask for part of your salary >|> back at the end of the year?? > >On the other hand, why would you expect your employer not to have a say on your salary ? Well there are several problems with this argument. First, doctors are suppose to be self employed, for the most part, in this country. There are those that are on salary to a hospital or clinic, but most are self employed on a fee for service basis. As many people have compared, this has some similarities to the present system with ICBC. The body shops are not "employees" of the government, but simply recieve payments from an insurance company that happens to be run by the government. Secondly, and by far more important, you have missed a major part of the point of this problem if you think the docotors are arguing that the government should have no say in their salary. You are paid a definite amount of money. Your employer has no right to take money away from you at the end of the year because the employess worked too many hours. Does ICBC simply stop paying body shops at the end of the year because there are too many claims?? No, they just raise all of our premiums. Is Medicare more important than ICBC?? I certainly thought it was. The doctors asked for a third party binding arbitration settlement, and the government refused. How can you refuse third party arbitration?? This gives both parties a say in the settlement. On top of that you have a government that took a legally negotiated pension plan and simply declared it non-existent. No they didn't simply tear up the agreement, they actually brought in a piece of the most fould legislation to ever cross the floor of the legislature. This new bill of theirs actually stated that the pension plan "...is deemed to have never existed." How can you say something never existed when thousands of people have copies of the agreement signed by both parties?? Even the head of hte BC Federation of Labour called it one of the most disgusting moves a government had ever made. If it had been tried against a union there would have been an immediate wild-cat strike. Of course an employer should have a say in an employees salary, but doctors are not "employees" of the government. In addition, having a say in one's salary, does not mean an employer should be able to take back money that one has already earned under the agreed upon contract. -- # Brent Kennedy | The disease of "Trauma" is responsible for # # | more years of potential life lost than any # # brent@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca | other disease, yet it's also the most # # | preventable, does that make any sense?? #
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 106cdd,dbb749c2386b1f59 X-Google-Attributes: gid106cdd,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1992-09-25 15:09:42 PST Newsgroups: bc.general Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!van-bc!mikejag!brent From: brent@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca (Brent Kennedy) Subject: Re: Opting Out Organization: mikejag (mike) is a private system in Vancouver, BC, Canada Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1992 01:30:55 GMT Message-ID: <1992Sep26.013055.13787@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca> References: <1992Sep19.174335.3316@unixg.ubc.ca> <1992Sep24.015509.4243@mikejag.wimsey.bc.ca> <1992Sep24.154244.19157@unixg.ubc.ca> Lines: 48