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Be wary of those who say there is no Right to Keep and Bear Arms in Canada

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From: Semper Liber
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:04
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Those who say there was/is no right to keep and bear arms in Canada fall
into one or more of the following catagories.....

Supporters of government fascism or similar tyranny...
Criminals who fear their victim may be armed
Those who confuse RIGHTS with Privileges.


  "To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and
law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct,
but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will
permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will
allow... For society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the
law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals.
Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate themselves to
the expected behavior of the law-abiding."
  -- Jeff Snyder, Oct 20, 1994

  Our right to keep and bear arms in our own or the country's defense comes
from exactly the same place as the American one -- English Common Law, the
English Bill of Rights 1689, the writings of Sir William Blackstone in his
Commentaries on English Law, and others. All these laws (and indeed the full
body of English Law), became part of Canadian law on our Confederation in
1867 with the affirmation of the British North America (BNA) Act.

  http://www.rkba.ca/


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  Here is why criminals don't support the right to self defence with
firearms......


  FBI Uniform Crime Report (1992) shows that 70% of violent crimes are
  committed by 7% of criminals, many of whom are on probation or are given
  parole and released early. Of incarcerated felons surveyed by the
Department
  of Justice, 34% have been driven away, wounded, or captured by armed
  citizens; 40% state that they have decided against committing crimes for
  fear their would-be victims were armed.

  The FBI's statistics in the 1992 Uniform Crime Report also concluded:
  "Violent crime rates are highest overall in states with laws limiting or
  prohibiting the carrying of concealed firearms for self-defense." [1] "The
  FBI's data also show that in 20 other states that issue CCW permits
  (including Arizona, Washington, Oregon, Tennessee, Wyoming, and others),
  these states have enjoyed a REDUCTION in crime as follows: 1) Violent
crime
  rates are LOWER by 21%. 2) Homicide rates are LOWER by 33% 3) Robbery
rates
  are LOWER by 37% and 4) Aggravated assaults are lower by 13%."[2]

  States offer selective reciprocity in this area. That is, a permit-holder
in
  one state may be able to carry or transport a weapon in other states with
a
  reciprocity agreement with the home state. Reciprocity does impose on the
  permit-holder the responsibility for knowing and understanding the
  differences in the laws between the states.

  In 39 of the US states, issuing officials may not arbitrarily deny a
permit
  application, a practice known as Florida-style "shall issue." A further
  eight states have "may issue" laws; typically specific "need" must be
  established, but in practice, this is often a mechanism to prohibit most
  people from carrying.

  These "may issue" states range from "shall issue" in practice (Alabama and
  Connecticut are examples) to "at the whim of local officials" (such as New
  York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, and California; rural officials in those
  states liberally issue permits but officials in urbanized counties
generally
  are more restrictive) to "almost non-issue" in states such as Maryland
where
  even documented death threats are sometimes not sufficient to convince
  officials to issue permits and to "never-issue" Hawaii, where permits are
  never issued under any circumstances.

  Two states, (Vermont and Alaska), allow any non-felon who has reached the
  age of 16 or 21 respectively, to carry without a permit of any kind.
  However, Alaska residents may still obtain a completely optional,
  non-required permit so as to receive reciprocal carry rights in other
  states, or to gain exemption from the NICS background check.

  As of 2006, only two US States-Wisconsin and Illinois-have no provision
  whatsoever that would allow for the legal concealed carry of firearms by
  "ordinary" citizens. There are currently movements in each of these states
  to pass concealed-carry laws; legislation was passed in 2004 and again in
  2005, but vetoed by the respective governors. It is expected that
Wisconsin
  will have a signed Concealed Carry law by the end of 2007. The Kansas
  legislature over-rode the governor's veto to pass CCW on March 23rd, 2006.
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