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"Mountain Goat" <rmgoatNO@SPAMshaw.ca> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 03:01:57 GMT, "Semper Liber"
> <nopolicestates??@freedom4�ll.xxx> wrote:
>
> >Power to the people? Patriots arise and defend your country from freedom
> >robbers foreign and domestic!
> >
> >
> >Gun law spurs no violence - No problems arising from concealed weapons
> >permits.
> >
> Who gives a flying fuck what they do in do in the demented states?

Are you really so fucking stupid, and an mindless idiot. I can't believe you
can shoot your stupid off and claim you know what rights are.
you have not-ta one clue, idiot!


>
> >By PATRICK SULLIVAN
> >Original URL: http://www.record-eagle.com/2002/apr/07guns.htm
> >
> >      TRAVERSE CITY - Nine months after a state law that allows most
people
> >over the age of 21 to qualify for a concealed weapons permit, worries
that
> >gun violence would soar have not materialized and few glitches in the law
> >have been reported.
> >
> >      "It's obvious that people aren't shooting each other over traffic
> >disputes, there's no blood in the street," said David Bieganowski, a
> >Traverse City lawyer and chapter president of the Michigan Coalition for
> >Responsible Gun Owners.
> >
> >      Michigan law was changed July 1, 2001, to allow citizens over 21 to
> >receive a concealed weapons permit if they have completed a gun safety
> >course unless they have been convicted of a felony or certain
misdemeanors
> >or have a history of mental illness.
> >
> >      Bieganowski, who is also a National Rifle Association certified
> >firearms instructor and teaches the legal section of the gun safety
course
> >at several sportsman's clubs, said the biggest complaint he has heard is
> >from people who have been denied permits because they have been cited for
> >driving with an expired license plate.
> >
> >      Because the law bars anyone with certain misdemeanors within the
past
> >eight years or any misdemeanor within the past three years from getting a
> >permit, a violation for driving with an expired plate, a misdemeanor in
> >Michigan, forces gun boards to deny permits.
> >
> >      Department of Natural Resources fishing violations can also cause
an
> >applicant a three-year delay in obtaining a permit.
> >
> >      "I'm sure it was an unintended consequence," Bieganowski said.
"They
> >call me and I tell them to call their state representative because I
can't
> >do anything about it."
> >
> >      The overwhelming majority of people who apply for permits are
granted
> >them, according to records kept by the Michigan State Police and county
> >clerks.
> >
> >      In Grand Traverse County, 454 people have applied. Of those, five
have
> >been denied, 352 have been approved, and 97 are pending. Across northwest
> >Lower Michigan, 2,273 people have applied, 14 have been denied, 1,798
have
> >been approved and 461 are pending.
> >
> >      Across the region, just over 10 percent of the applicants are
women.
> >Of the 1,798 permits approved, 182 went to women.
> >
> >      The level of interest shown by women prompted Bieganowski to hold a
> >"women-only" concealed weapon training course at the Cedar Rod & Gun Club
in
> >June. The class, announced last month, has already almost filled.
> >
> >      "Women seem to light up a bit when they hear 'women-only,' "
> >Bieganowski said.
> >
> >      Many of the women who have already attended Bieganowski's classes
are
> >wives of men who own handguns. Women are more likely to want a concealed
> >weapon permit for the purpose of personal protection than men, he said.
> >
> >      "I'm sure the reasons are different and self-protection is the No.
1
> >reason for women, some men get them just out of principal," he said.
> >
> >      No shootings in northern Michigan have been connected to concealed
> >weapon permit holders.
> >
> >      Wilson Brott, a lawyer who has also provided legal training for
> >applicants, said the requirements to get a permit are meant to discourage
> >violence.
> >
> >      "What we try to do is make sure people are real wary of even
pulling
> >out your firearm," Brott said.
> >
> >      The law also more severely restricts where people can carry a
> >concealed weapon. Forbidden areas include bars, schools, churches, day
care
> >centers, hospitals and sports arenas.
> >
> >      Missaukee County's gun board began issuing permits under the new
law
> >months before it took effect and they have seen no problems with permit
> >holders, Missaukee Sheriff James Bosscher said.
> >
> >      "Some people want them for traveling, some people want to carry,
some
> >people want them just because it's their right," Bosscher said.
> >
> >      Patrick Sullivan is the reporter for crime, courts and public
safety.
> >He can be reached at (231) 933-xxxx, or at psullivan@record-eagle.com
> >
> >
> >> "Here is a law which is above the King and Parliament, and which even
He
> >and
> >> They must not and may not legally break. And in the event they or
anyone
> >> else were to try to abrogate it, such attempt at abrogation shall have
no
> >> force nor effect [1297] and can be safely ignored with no legal ill
> >effect.
> >> In addition, in the event of successful attempts at abrogation of such
> >> liberties, customs, or rights, the King has commanded and do hereby
compel
> >> any and all subjects to swear oath to join the barons to assail the
> >> properties and persons and families of those (saving the King, Queen
and
> >the
> >> royal children) who had successfully completed such abrogation,
including
> >> but not limited to that of the individual Members of Parliament who had
> >> voted in favour of any such successful attempts at abrogation [1215].
This
> >> reaffirmation of a supreme law and its expression in a general charter
is
> >> the great work of Magna Carta; and this alone justifies the respect in
> >which
> >> men have held it."
> >>
> >>
> >> --Quote by Sir Winston Churchill, 1956
> >
> >>
> >> > The gun can only be legally used for target shooting
> >> > there fore it should be stored where it is used.
> >>
> >> The gun can be used to lawfully defend ones person or property when
> >> threatened..... This is a fundamental right, and any law that states
> >> otherwise can be safely ignored. End of Story.
> >>
> >> Per Arbour and LeBel JJ. : Section 88(1) of the Criminal Code requires
a
> >> subjective mens rea. Constitutional considerations aside, there is a
> >common
> >> law presumption that, absent a clear expression of Parliamentary
intent, a
> >> person is not liable for a criminal offence in the absence of
subjective
> >> mens rea. However, the elements of the offence must be distinguished
from
> >> the evidentiary problems that arise in any offence where the trier of
fact
> >> is called on to determine the subjective intent of an accused. To do
this,
> >> the trier of fact must look at the externalities or objective indicia
of
> >the
> >> accused's state of mind.
> >>      Under s. 88(1), an accused's subjective purpose must be one that
is
> >> dangerous to the public peace. To avoid importing an objective element
> >into
> >> a purely subjective approach, the concept of a "purpose dangerous to
the
> >> public peace" needs to be given concrete content. Within the meaning of
s.
> >> 88(1), it is the possession of a weapon with the intention of doing
harm
> >to
> >> persons or property, or showing reckless disregard for harm to persons
or
> >> property. Section 88(1) does not require actual use of the weapon, but
> >does
> >> require possession of a weapon coupled with an additional intention.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> -- 
>
> "I believe there are more instances of the abridgement
> of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent
> encroachments of those in power than by violent and
> sudden usurpations." - US President James Madison
>
> "To be a social conservative is to believe that the
> poor have too much money, and the rich don't have
> enough." - J.K. Galbraith
>
>
> "You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get
> yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days
> is to go about repeating the very phrases which our
> founding fathers used in the struggle for independence."
>  - Charles Austin Beard