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"Mountain Goat" <rmgoatNO@SPAMshaw.ca> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 03:01:56 GMT, "Semper Liber"
> <nopolicestates??@freedom4�ll.xxx> wrote:
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> >
> >"Aeroplan" <aplan967@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> >news:kI2kg.28276$Mn5.23136@pd7tw3no...
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> >> "Semper Liber" <nopolicestates??@freedom4�ll.xxx> wrote in message
> >> news:sn2kg.40591$771.12896@edtnps89...
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> >> > "Semper Liber" <nopolicestates??@freedom4�ll.xxx> wrote in message
> >> > news:qk0kg.54933$S61.1982@edtnps90...
> >> >> Public Safety minister Stockwell Day acknowledged that ALL Canadians
> >will
> >> >> need to be mobilized to be fully effective in the war on terror, and
> >that
> >> > an
> >> >> effective defence will require the government to acknowledge the
> >publics
> >> >> right to defend themselves lawfully.... Day stated that his
government
> >> >> was
> >> >> committed to restore freedoms to law abiding Canadians as part of
his
> >> >> government mandate to fight the terrorists war on freedom.... Day
> >stated
> >> >> that if this law saves even one life it will be worth  it.....
> >> >
> >> > Interesting to see all the pro-terrorist kooks coming out against our
> >> > right
> >> > to self-defence. Now we see who's side they are really on.
> >>
> >> Nice to see that whole polygamy thing is working out for you.
> >
> >Finally put you on the "new Freedom" initiative list eh airhead?
> >
> >This will piss you off.... A law abiding citizen saved himself with the
> >lawful use of a handgun..... A model for ALL Canadians to follow......
The
> >people united can never be defeated...
> >
> It happened in another country, one so awash in guns, there are more
> than one for every man, woman & child in that country. A situation
> which does not apply to Canada.

Hahahaha..... No crime in Canada, eh? Too funny! Guess all those women
murdered in Vancouver didn't deserve to excersize their right to defend
themselves, what with them being prostitutes eh Goat? Or those seniors
beaten and/or killed by home invaders should just learn to dial the phone
faster and try to stall the robbers til the police arrive?

What is sickening about your positon is not that you choose to be a victim,
but that you think your opinion is authority of some law that everyone else
has to obey. Get over yourself.... you are not that important, and in a free
country peaceful law abiding citizens have a RIGHT to defend themselves and
their property, and any interference by another [expecially government] is
AN ASSAULT. This is not a negotiation.. We have the right, and it will be
honoured.

FIREARMS AND SELF-DEFENSE

Survey research indicates that there are more than 2.1 million protective
uses of firearms each year, far more than the number of violent criminal gun
uses reported by the FBI. Most self-defense uses do not involve discharge of
a firearm. In only 0.1% of defensive gun uses is a criminal killed, and in
only 1% is a criminal wounded. A Department of Justice-sponsored survey
found that 40% of felons had chosen not to commit at least one specific
crime for fear their victims were armed, and 34% admitted being scared off
or shot at by armed victims.

U. S. Department of Justice victimization surveys show that the
protective use of a firearm lessens the chance that a rape, robbery or
assault attempt will be successfully completed and also reduces the chance
of injury to the intended victim.

CRIME RATES LOWER IN STATES THAT ALLOW LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS TO CARRY
FIREARMS

States with favorable concealed carry laws have lower rates of
crime than states with restrictive concealed carry laws. Overall, the
homicide rate for states with favorable carry laws is 31% lower, and the
robbery rate is 36% lower, than for states with restrictive concealed carry
laws.

States which have recently changed their laws have experienced
reductions in homicide rates. Since 1987, when Florida enacted a
favorable CCW law, its homicide rate has dropped 22%, even while the
national rate has risen 15%.



Gun law spurs no violence - No problems arising from concealed weapons
permits.


By PATRICK SULLIVAN
Original URL: http://www.record-eagle.com/2002/apr/07guns.htm

      TRAVERSE CITY - Nine months after a state law that allows most people
over the age of 21 to qualify for a concealed weapons permit, worries that
gun violence would soar have not materialized and few glitches in the law
have been reported.

      "It's obvious that people aren't shooting each other over traffic
disputes, there's no blood in the street," said David Bieganowski, a
Traverse City lawyer and chapter president of the Michigan Coalition for
Responsible Gun Owners.

      Michigan law was changed July 1, 2001, to allow citizens over 21 to
receive a concealed weapons permit if they have completed a gun safety
course unless they have been convicted of a felony or certain misdemeanors
or have a history of mental illness.

      Bieganowski, who is also a National Rifle Association certified
firearms instructor and teaches the legal section of the gun safety course
at several sportsman's clubs, said the biggest complaint he has heard is
from people who have been denied permits because they have been cited for
driving with an expired license plate.

      Because the law bars anyone with certain misdemeanors within the past
eight years or any misdemeanor within the past three years from getting a
permit, a violation for driving with an expired plate, a misdemeanor in
Michigan, forces gun boards to deny permits.

      Department of Natural Resources fishing violations can also cause an
applicant a three-year delay in obtaining a permit.

      "I'm sure it was an unintended consequence," Bieganowski said. "They
call me and I tell them to call their state representative because I can't
do anything about it."

      The overwhelming majority of people who apply for permits are granted
them, according to records kept by the Michigan State Police and county
clerks.

      In Grand Traverse County, 454 people have applied. Of those, five have
been denied, 352 have been approved, and 97 are pending. Across northwest
Lower Michigan, 2,273 people have applied, 14 have been denied, 1,798 have
been approved and 461 are pending.

      Across the region, just over 10 percent of the applicants are women.
Of the 1,798 permits approved, 182 went to women.

      The level of interest shown by women prompted Bieganowski to hold a
"women-only" concealed weapon training course at the Cedar Rod & Gun Club in
June. The class, announced last month, has already almost filled.

      "Women seem to light up a bit when they hear 'women-only,' "
Bieganowski said.

      Many of the women who have already attended Bieganowski's classes are
wives of men who own handguns. Women are more likely to want a concealed
weapon permit for the purpose of personal protection than men, he said.

      "I'm sure the reasons are different and self-protection is the No. 1
reason for women, some men get them just out of principal," he said.

      No shootings in northern Michigan have been connected to concealed
weapon permit holders.

      Wilson Brott, a lawyer who has also provided legal training for
applicants, said the requirements to get a permit are meant to discourage
violence.

      "What we try to do is make sure people are real wary of even pulling
out your firearm," Brott said.

      The law also more severely restricts where people can carry a
concealed weapon. Forbidden areas include bars, schools, churches, day care
centers, hospitals and sports arenas.

      Missaukee County's gun board began issuing permits under the new law
months before it took effect and they have seen no problems with permit
holders, Missaukee Sheriff James Bosscher said.

      "Some people want them for traveling, some people want to carry, some
people want them just because it's their right," Bosscher said.

      Patrick Sullivan is the reporter for crime, courts and public safety.
He can be reached at (231) 933-xxxx, or at psullivan@record-eagle.com