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Re: Verio makes news

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From: Sam Habash
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:05
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Milton Brewster <scribble@best.com> wrote:

We're not getting through to you...

: I owe you an apology. It seems that I didn't get the real post 
: you were responding to,and it apparently wasn't mine. My system 
: shows you responding directly to me. 

Funny, I don't think I've missed a post in this thread.
Maybe your software is acting up. ;-P

: While this hitch might not be a perfect example of my earlier 
: point, it *is* a pretty good illustration. When a server drops 
: messages in a thread, it is easy to misunderstand who is saying 
: what to whom. This has a bad effect on newsgroup communication. 

Erm, not really, given most posters here know how to properly
quote and attribute.  Maybe it's just you.  I've had no problems.

: I doubt that you are in favor of "censorship." No one really is. 

You'd be surprised how many people are really in favor of
"censorship." much less outright censorship.  Or have you been
not ventured outside these past couple of weeks?

: I tried to respond objectively to your remarks about censorship 
: in my post when I observed that slipshod newsgroup service 
: actually can create the same result as intentional message 
: censorship. 

Okay, buster, you've now gone off the deep end.  I'm trying very hard 
to not beat my head into my monitor.

: While I agree that Usenet isn't Best/Verio's primary interest, I 
: don't agree with the strategy you propose.  Best should be 
: embarrassed over the Usenet service they are now providing. 

No, I think Best is laughing their heads off at your strident
assertion, at least whatever portion of it that's left which 
still reads these newsgroups.

: I suspect that in a few years, the low level of Usenet service 
: provided by many ISPs will lead to laws which require them to 
: maintain some minimum service level.

I am now beating my head into the screen.

WHAM.  WHAM.  WHAM.

: While I don't like government intrusion, I'm just observing that this 
: is one direction where Best/Verio's low standard of service might lead.  

Given that the freaks who care about Usenet so much haven't yet
succeeded with that particular wet dream, I am still hopeful that
it will remain the case.

: It is probably very much in Best/Verio's best interest to provide 
: the level of service that won't generate problems for their 
: Business Model in the long run. 

As others have pointed out, that their Business Model hasn't yet involved
chucking NNTP into the Atlantic and Pacific is a happy accident, or is
indicative of how lazy Verio is.

--Sam 
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From: Sam Habash <usenet@llama.com>
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Subject: Re: Verio makes news
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 13:05:22 +0000 (UTC)
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