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Back in November I sent a request that a gateway be established for the CONYERS
listserv list.  Shortly, after there were two negative objections stating that
the gateway should not be established.
 
Since then I've sent an e-mail note to the Conyers list to see how list
subscribers felt.  Initially, I was told that I did not need to solicit the
listees support as the CONYERS list was a new list.  However, after receiving
the negative responses from bit.admin, I sent a note to the CONYERS list.
There were 11 responses to my post to the CONYERS list.
 
I have included my initial post to the CONYERS list along with the 11 responses
that I received. 10 of the 11 responses were in favor of establishing the
CONYERS gateway.
 
Therefore, I am proposing once again that the CONYERS gateway be established.
Since my initial post, there were over 100,000 pilgrims that attended the Nov
13, 1993 monthly apparition.  The person in Stone Mountain Georgia who types    ow to receive the messages via the computer.  Our dedicated telephone
the montly journal has been receiving several requests from people on how to
receive the messages via computer.  Also, our dedicated answering machine
that broadcasts the monthly message from Conyers has been averaging 500 calls
per month (est. Aug. 1993).  The point I'm trying to make is I do believe
there is an initial interest here, and I believe it is going to grow.
 
My post to the CONYERS list, and the eleven replies follow:
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>Date:         Fri, 26 Nov 93 16:51:16 EST
>From:         JIM DRZYMALA <DRZYMALA@UBVM>
>Subject:      ESTABLISHING CONYERS GATEWAY
>To:           conyers@UBVM
 
>Peace and greetings,
 
>...
 
>The reason for this message is to solicit support for gatewaying
>the CONYERS listserv list to Netnews.  Basically, what this will do
>is provide wider exposure so that more people can receive the
>Conyers, Georgia messages.  My goal is to spread these messages
>quickly and to as many people as possible.  It's up to God to
>convert people's hearts.
 
>The down side to the gateway, which I see as a plus, is that many
>different types of people will be able to read the messages if they
>so choose.  This means that even atheists could read them if they
>wanted to.  Therefore, people that have not voluntarily joined the
>list could read the messages through the Netnews and respond to the
>messages with some negative comments.
 
>However, negative comments don't bother me.  I believe people have
>free will and they can say what they want.  However, I also believe
>that the Truth has power, and that the truth will be made known.
 
>So what do you think about establishing a gateway between Netnews
>and the Conyers Listserv list?
 
>Finally, since this is a new list, I was instructed to go ahead and
>establish the gateway.  However, when I posted my request to
>bit.admin Netnews group, I received two complaints.  One person
>felt that it was too 'esoteric' of a topic, and the other felt that
>only 100 subscribers to the CONYERS Listserv list was 'grossly
>inadequate readership to justify a newsgroup '.
 
>You can E-mail your comments in one of three ways:
 
>    1. Send E-mail directly to me
>    2. Send E-mail to CONYERS Listserv list
>    3. Send E-mail to Netnews group 'bit.admin'
 
>Either way, please let me know, what you think.  Thank you and may
>Jesus Christ the true gift giver Bless you this holiday season.
 
>...
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>Date:         Mon, 6 Dec 1993 01:44:21 EST
>From:         Mat R Vasquez <mrv1731@GOLD.ACNS.FSU.EDU>
>Hi Jim,
 
>    A quick comment concerning the gateway--Go for it!  You have all my
>prayers.  Criticisms from others is not a hindrance.  When people
>criticize it means that they're thinking, so let's make them think.
>Remember,  the Christians before us were persecuted in ways unimaginable
>to us today.  Jim,  Jesus Christ was nailed to the cross for our sins, and
>if all we're going to get is a little criticism for spreading His message,
>we really have it easy.
 
>                                                God bless you.
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>Date:         Thu, 2 Dec 1993 14:12:00 -0500
>From:         Celeste Lagoy 80584 <CLAGOY@WORLDBANK.ORG>
>         Jim,
 
>         You have my support for the Conyers gateway.  With regards to
>         readership, I am the only one listed in the Conyers list but I
>         redistribute the messages to our Catholic Association with a
>         population of about 250.
 
>         Celeste
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>Date:         Thu, 2 Dec 1993 13:46:57 EST
>From:         "Gene J. Williams" <GENWIL@JOYNER.LIB.ECU.EDU>
 
>Jim, you have my vote for the gateway, also.  The messages from
>Conyers are for the world....
 
>Gene J. Williams
>University Archives
>Room 115, J.Y. Joyner Library
>East Carolina University
>Greenville, N.C.  27858-4353
>(919) 757-6679
>(919) 757-4834 (Fax)
>Internet:  GENWIL@JOYNER.LIB.ECU.EDU
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>Date:         Thu, 2 Dec 1993 09:38:41 -0500
>From:         Guillermo Gutierrez <u3212aid@ELM.CIRCA.UFL.EDU>
 
>       Just a quick note to cast in my vote in favor of the Conyers gateway.
>I've been to Conyers several times and I think that the gateway is one
>of the best ways to spread the message.
 
>                                               Pax Christi,
>                                               Tigerman.
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>Date:         Mon, 29 Nov 1993 12:34:51 EST
>From:         Jack Barclay <ASD003@NMSUVM1.BITNET>
 
>Jim:
>     Go for the gateway.  The more people that read Mary's messages,
>the better.  I feel that Mary would want it this way and she will take
>care of the rest.
>Jack
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>Date: 27 Nov 1993 11:53:23 -0600 (CST)
>From: JACOBSVJ@VUCTRVAX
 
>Jim:
 
>Establishing a gateway is usually for a list with a HIGH volume of mail
>to a HIGH number readers.  I'm talking here of usenet groups.  It's a
>convenience to the readers so they don't have a whole bunch of email
>from one particular listserv.  But it's not like a digest where all the
>emails are grouped into one email.
 
>NETNEWS is another item.  I believe this is a listserv that distributes
>news to a LARGE number of people.  Items posted here need to be
>of GENERAL interest to almost everybody.  People have different belief
>systems and would be turned off by receiving items of interest
>to a particular faith on a regular basis.
 
>You might consider forwarding a message from our Loving Mother to
>net-happenings.  Gleason Sackman also forwards messages to a list
>of many people.  This too sends only messages of general interest.
 
>I understand that Our Loving Mother's message is to the world - or at
>least to the people of the U.S.  However, it is arriving under the
>umbrella of (or related to) the Catholic faith.  People who are interested
>subscribe to this list.
 
>Hope this helps.
 
>Jenny Jacobson
>JACOBSVJ@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu
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>From: kbanner@philae.sas.upenn.edu (Ken Banner)
>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 01:04:14 -0500 (EST)
 
>Jim,
 
>        One way to avoid having inappropriate messages in the newsgroup
>would be to set it up as moderated.  If it were loosely moderated you
>could filter out messages from people who were just making tactless
>remarks while at the same time allowing those who had sincere questions
>and/or comments to do so.
 
>        Also, regarding the comment about such a newsgroup being too
>"esoteric" :  The person was kidding right?  I mean the newsgroups have an
>entire discussion group for people who like Spam and another couple of
>newsgroups for people who don't like Barney the Dinosaur.  Groups
>like this are just plain "silly" but apparently some people think
>they should exist.  On a more serious side, there's a
discussion group on out of body experiences and another on shamanism.  Is
>what you are proposing more "esoteric" than these groups?
 
>        Surely there's room for serious discussion and information on
>the appearances at Conyers.  And as far as the number of current
>subscriptions, I suspect that would increase rapidly with the newsgroup
>gateway.
 
>Ken
>kbanner@philae.sas.upenn.edu
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>Date:         Mon, 29 Nov 1993 10:36:59 +22305823
>From:         Cliff Burgess <burgess@WHALE.ST.USM.EDU>
>Jim,
>        It seems to me that St. Paul said that he used ALL MEANS so that
>some might be saved.  I see the gateway as a means for doing this and of
>extending the excellent work you are doing for our Lord.
>        On the technical side, would we still be on the list server and
>get new information immediately mailed to us or would we have to keep
>checking the news system to get the latest postings?
 
>May god bless you,
 
>Cliff
>burgess@whale.st.usm.edu
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>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 09:46:28 +0600
>From: tomfal@tr6.wes.army.mil
 
>Hi, Jim:
 
>You should probably kkep trying to get CONYERS on the Netnews; it would
>certainly reach a wider audience, and would probably benefit the list, as well.
>In answer to your concern, there already are atheists in the list, ;-), and
>it's been pretty polite so far. You may get an occasional yahoo, but I doubt
>that the list would have to fight off continual flame wars and anti-religion
>attacks.
>If you want to preach to the natives, you've got to expect a few slings and
>arrows...
 
>Tom Faller
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>Date:         Mon, 29 Nov 1993 10:29:00 EST
>From:         RELLIS%VTVM1.BITNET@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU
 
>Jim,
>I agree with the above statements.  Please continue to use the network to
>spread the Good News that the Holy Trininty is concerned about the spiritual
>welfare of humanity and that they have allowed our Holy Mother to come to
>earth with messages that we need to listen to and obey.
>God Bless you, please pray that God will forgive us our sins and that He will
>continue to lead all souls to Heaven, especially those who are in most need of
>His mercy.
 
>Richard Ellis
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>Date:         Mon, 29 Nov 1993 08:04:54 CST
>From:         Elizabeth Stevens <CCCAMPER@MIZZOU1.MISSOURI.EDU>
 
> Jim,
> It seems to me that it is very important to spread the messages
>to those who have no opportunity to hear of them otherwise. If this
>means that for those of us already here we may experience the
>unpleasantness of disbelief..... *grin*...so what else is new. O:)
 
>In Jesus through Mary,
>Elizabeth
>cccamper@mizzou1.missouri.edu
>(converted through the Grace of Medjugorje , Sept. 8, 1991, in
> St. Joseph, Missouri; confirmed 4/10/93)
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