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Re: Basques at the arrival of the romans

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From: Inaki Agirre Perez
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 00:00
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Eskerrik asko Miguel, egin duzun lanagatik.

> The area of the Bascones is "ili" or "uri" as demonstrate by place
> names like Pompeoili, Iliberris Auscitana, Iluro, Ilurcis and
> Caragurris and Gracurris mentioned above.

I'd be more cautious with 'uri', which in historical times is derived from ili >
uli > uri
(see:  ili > uli > ulli, Araba, XVII)

On one hand, uri and uRi are suposed to be contrastive in Pre-Basque. On the
other hand, the stem is clearly present in Gracurris, founded by Romans close to
Calagurris. It is quite concevaible that the Romans re-interpreted kala+gorri
like calag+urri.

> Villar agrees with this point of view and states "It appears
> that the relationship between Basque and Iberian is strong but non
> genetic, and that the correspondence should have moved from the more
> civilized Iberian to the less civilized Bascones".

Spanish bigotry...

> There are many examples from the Celtic remains of Cortes de Navarra

Hor hilarri bezalako lauza bat agertu da. Barruan hiru gizaki daude, eta
erdikoak zer-edo-zer dauka eskuan, ez dut argi ikusi. Hori keltiarra al da?

> It is not accidental that the town founded by
> the Romans on the Cantabrian sea shore was called Flaviobriga and not
> Flavioili had it would have been the case were the area controlled by
> "natives" of the Iberian cultural sphere.

This case is parallel to Gracurris. Unfortunately, little can be said from those
mixtures, both in the limes of the Basqueland.

Inaki
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