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Article #30Re: Question to Bengtson
From: Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 00:00
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 00:00
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Some time ago, Jose Mallea Olaetxe <mallea@SCS.UNR.EDU> wrote: >John, >in your last posting you refer to Sumerian as an isolate, which prompted >me to ask you if you know of Zacharia Sitchin's work. I believe he has >written several, but I was just glancing at one book, where he quotes >Sumerian left and right. According to the bibliography he is using, you >would think he is not making any of it up. >Do you know of Sitchin's work, and what do you think of his theories >regarding the origin of the Sumerians, etc.? Thanks. >JMallea I've just seen this on sci.archaeology: >In article <6vpf8f$gjp$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, on Sun, 11 Oct 1998 05:21:19 >GMT, jrkitch@psci.net said... >> >> I have read most all of Sitchin's books concerning Nibiru >> the Annunaki and his interpretation of ancient texts and >> coming away impressed with the research involved but one >> question comes up to me every single time; the human >> element. >> >I agree in general with your comments. I'd just like to add that Sitchin >has his own unique interpretation of ancient texts. >This URL is a link to a skeptical archive on Sitchin: >http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/8148/zindex.html >I've been assured by an academic who teaches Sumerian that anyone of his >sophomore pupils in Sumerian could do a better translation than Sitchin. >He was, maybe still is, head of the Department of Near Eastern Studies at >the University of Michigan. He wrote: >"First of all, I did point out that the whole shem is a sham, but here is >one more go at this nonsense. >On p. 139 S begins this incredible rubbish by translating the Sumerian >verbal prefix mu- as if it were a noun. That is like arguing that the /s/ >in "dogs" is not a plural marker. but means, "bathroom." He seems to >think that anytime the syllable /mu/ appears, it is the same thing. That >is like arguing that -ness in "goodness" is related to the Loch Nes >monster@! >On p. 140 he really does a doozy, rendering zag.mu.ku as "the bright Mu >whic is afar." This is news to everyone who thought that zagmu meant "new >year" in Sumerian and ku (actually kug) meant "holy" or "pure," especially >to the poor fellow who just published a whole book on the word! This is >the holy processional barge for the new year festival! >On p. 141 he invents a meaning for mu "that which raises straight" for >which he provides not a shred of evidence. That is followed by five >cuneiform signs which are meant to show the development of "mu." Only th >first two are mu, the other three are completely different signs and have >nothing to do with it at all. The final one on the left which he thinks is >a conical chamber is actually a version of ninda (bread) or gar (to >place), originally a representation of a beviled rim bowl, the standard >ration bowl of the Uruk culture. > After more nonsense on p. 143 he says: mu or its Semitic >derivatives shu-mu (that which is a mu), sham or shem....But the universal >application of "name" to early texts that spoke of an object used in >flying has obscured the true meaning of early records". >This is truly mindboggling! First, the root that comes out as shumu in >Akkadian and shem in much later Hebrew is an old one, as attested by the >fact that it occurs in other Semitic languages, including Arabic, as well >in Ethiopic, that is in Afro-Asiatic outside of Semitic. This means that >it is older than any contact with Sumerian and likewise there are no loans >from Sumerian in Ethiopic! Just because two words have an m in them does >not mean that they are related! >You might believe that millions of people have misunderstood the Old >Testament for thousands of years, you might also believe that one of the >most common verbal prefixes in Sumerian actually refers to spaceships, so >that every other or so Sumerian phrase is about one thing only, including >cattle accounts! >If you do that, you would also have to believe that in the Near East today >people speak about speceships to each other every day and we have never >heard about it! You might be interested to know that in modern Hebrew >the word to name is indeed shem, and in Arabic it is ism, which derives >from the same Semitic root! Every day people say, "your name please," or >so we think, but they are really talking about spaceships! >It would be impossible to point out every single piece of rubbish in this >book, but every page is full of such nonsense. Enough already!" >End quoted article. >-- > Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated > Submissions to:sci-archaeology-moderated@medieval.org > Requests To: arch-moderators@ucl.ac.uk > Co-owner UK-Schools mailing list: email me for details ======================= Miguel Carrasquer Vidal mcv@wxs.nl Amsterdam
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