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"Rogelio Perea" <os9dude@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:iRxee.9412$Hf6.3221@fe11.lga...
> Randy McLaughlin wrote something like:
>
>> As for my rants about one of the yahoo members the facts are simple the 
>> Spammer said he didn't like the Spam that was happening so he asked 
>> everyone to move to the yahoo group.  When we didn't he signed up the 
>> listserver to as many porno sites as he could trying to force everyone to 
>> join the yahoo group.
>
> Mmmm... do you have any real palpable evidence of such unethical 
> behaviour?
>
> The facts, at least for/from the people that have been members of the then 
> mail list from Princeton - and I have since the very early 90s, is that 
> spam filled the bit.listserv.coco Usenet newsgroup because of an 
> unattended mail list, which was gated to the usenet group, no one was 
> moderating or taking care of the Princeton mail list; "our" newsgroup fell 
> victim as many many other mail lists and newsgroups to the spamepidemic of 
> the late 90s - no one needed to actually "go in" and sign up anything to 
> get the spam, the bots took care of the whole thing.
>
> The Yahoo! groups were established well before the spam infestation... I 
> remember that I used to get the usenet group by the then fledging DejaNews 
> service as I had unsuscribed to the mail list because of the sheer volume 
> of dirt flying into my Inbox. Things didn't get any better and the 
> Maltedmedia list was born, an effort by a serious long-time TRS-80 
> tinkerer and CoCo enthusiast. Both venues an effort of people with far 
> better things to do than resort to the practices you've been so fond to 
> state as fact when they're far from it.
>
> Going back to Sockmaster's Matrix screen demo... I tried it on my CoCo 3. 
> It is a very good rendition of the falling code seen on the movies. It is 
> such a small and elegant program, can't wait to showcase it to my Windoze 
> nutty friends. Don't know how it shows up on an emulator though and 
> probably never will, as long as I have the real CoCo 3 plugged in and 
> ready to go :-)
>
>
> -=[ Rogelio ]=-

I never said that the creation of the Yahoo Group was in response to the 
Spam in this group.

I have been a member of this group for 12~15 years and when the Yahoo group 
was first created I checked it out.  I hate the interface and constant 
advertising.  Two groups that I am a member of are on Yahoo, I am extremely 
interested in the topics so while I hate the advertising I live with it.  I 
much prefer the Usenet.

As for the Spam before the list server was detached there was a small 
amount.  The Spammer that still pops up now hated any and insisted that 
everyone leave this group and join what he referred to his group on Yahoo. 
He never specified exactly what he meant by his group whether it meant he 
was just a member or truly owned the group.

He bragged about the porn sign-ups and the acknowledgement notices came 
across the list server.  If you don't remember it I'm sorry my ISP only 
keeps messages for 30 days.

The Spammer was using a remail to hide his ID.  I knew nothing of remailers 
at the time but I decided to do some research.  I found that many Usenet 
groups are filled with messages strictly through remailers, groups that 
include names like pre-teen, adolescent, etc.

I had always heard of the dark under-belly of the internet but I'd never 
known exactly where.  I always assumed the "dark side" existed on web-sites, 
it's not it is on Usenet sites.  There is an entire sub-culture supporting 
it.

For access to child pornography there are specialized News Servers you pay 
extra for that gives you access to the most base of groups, there are 
remailers in a variety of forms to protect the pornographers, etc.

The Spammer has used his pornographic connections to make this group 
uncomfortable to be in.

Even after the list server was detached and people stayed here he continued 
to post porn here but since he couldn't sign up the group through the list 
server he had to post the messages manually one at a time.

There is a connection of Specialized news-servers and remailers with 
pornography.


Randy