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Why aren't SAUPM00 users allowed on RELAY anymore? Well.. attached is the
note from the SAUPM00 node administrator, who has requested this several
times in the last several weeks.  There is a limit to how much I can
turn down a request from a node administrator regarding his own users.

What finally pushed it all over the edge was a complaint from several
users at that node, that basically boiled down to "If you dont have enough
ops to ban *every* offender, then *any* punishment against a user at our
node is discriminatory".  They seem to be unwilling to listen to the fact
that I have been *more* lenient than even their own node management wanted.
In particular, Iyad *asked* that *every single* complaint about a SAUPM00
user be forwarded to him directly, for disciplinary action there.

In summary, I'm sorry it came to this, and I'm sorry that a few problem users
at a node resulted in this inconvenience to all the other users.  However,
this is *NOT* the first time that SAUPM00 has been cut off from RELAY at their
node management's request.  Unfortunately, some people *are* doomed to
repeat the history they didn't understand.

/Valdis
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Dear Valdis,
as the problem of my users on the relay is becoming bigger and bigger, I
am preparing a memo to my management suggesting some solutions to solve
this matter. One of the solutions I am suggesting I want to take your openion
first before proposing it to my management. It is as follows:

 - In coordination with relay operators, ALL SAUPM00 relay users be banned
from using this facility but giving special access upon requests from
specific users that I know their manner. This might be a good solution as
users now can be controlled and known. However, we might end up with a long
list of users being allowed to use relay which might be a heavy load on
relay operators. But, now, if a user be banned again for a very valid reasons
accompanied with valid proofs he will never have his access back no matter
the reason. To announce this, a message can be put for the users upon trying to
sign on relay is to contact their NAD (phone#, etc) for the access.

Now, do you agree on this ?
Can relay operators do this ? Knowing that we might end with a long list of
good users.
Can a banned user still use /NA command ?

In case you agree, I will need the cooperation of ALL relay operators and
a list of relay machines with their operators. My userid should be known
to all of them so as to request to un-bann a user from using relay.
But any way, please provide with the list of relay machines and their operators
for my own information -if you have it ready-.

Thanx alot for your coordination and patience with us....I really appreciate..

BTW I just came back from London. I was there for about two weeks attending
two short courses in IBM Sudbury Towers. I will tell you all about my trip
later -if you would like me to-.

Thanx again and hope to hear from you very soon....

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|Iyad Abdulmajeed Al-Bukahri         |E-Mail: OPRNAD  @ SAUPM00.BITNET |
|KFUPM NAD, GULFNET NCC and Chairman |        OPRIAB  @ SAUPM00.BITNET |
|of GULFNET Technical Committee      |        OPRIAB$ @ SAUPM00.BITNET |
|P.O.Box 773 Dharran 31261           |TEL.# : (966-3) 860-3917 Off.    |
|K.F.U.P.M. , Saudi Arabia           |FAX # : (966-3) 860-3955         |
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