Article View: bit.listserv.rhetoric
Article #479Grammar, Robert Browning, and Rhetoricians
From: Victor Harnack
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1992 03:26
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1992 03:26
52 lines
3564 bytes
3564 bytes
I had intended to stay away from attempting to with malice aforethought split either infinitives or skulls. But our friend in the blue linen labcoat wrote something so very sensible, that I felt impelled to in as friendly a fashion as possible enter the discussion. a. There is nothing wrong with grammar that couldn't be fixed by removing the adjective "proper". b. Those of us who try to help our students write and speak more effectively (practicing rhetoricians) experience our principal difficulty dealing with SYNTAX. English language is heavily dependent upon syntax. As we all know, most other European languages have less reliance upon syntax. I don't believe it is possible, for one example, to split a French infinitive. (I know that you can do more serious splitting with German.) If our students knew any of the terminology of grammar, we could more readily talk with them about how to fix their wounded sentences. c. Writing depends upon linear processing of information. Our students have less capacity each year for this kind of cognitive processing. They are neither stupid nor empty-headed. Global information processing will simply not do in this electronic age. If we are going to unlock any of those doors that Lili suggested we pick open, we need to help our students write a simple declarative sentence that can be understood by somebody who doesn't already know the answer. (And then, of course, we need to help them put four or five of these sentences together to form a somewhat more complicated idea. And then, maybe, a short essay. . . . ) d. James Winans once observed that our training in schools tends to make us incapable of informing others because students are constantly asked to write, not to inform anybody, but to tell somebody WHO ALREADY KNOWS THE ANSWER that the student knows it also. e. Beating up on grammarians is like setting up, and then demolishing, straw men. Even Browning didn't do that when he wrote "The Grammarian's Funeral". Using language as a way of keeping the unwashed out of the nice places in life is reprehensible. Bigots, of course, delight in telling stories, with all the dialect orally underscored, of Rastus' attempts to talk properly. Such a depiction of one category of people explains why we can no longer tolerate the "humor" of Amos and Andy. But why do we condemn one practice when we engage in a similar one? Let's quit making smart-ass comments about grammarians trying to keep people from splitting infinitives. Let's just share tactics we have discovered for helping students write more clearly and attractively for people whom they wish to inform and please. Most of us have actually succeeded in helping students write better. Oh, let's also quit making smart-ass comments about how dumb our students are. They're ignorant (at least of what we wish they knew) but they're no dumber than we.
Technical Details
Message-ID:
<RHETORIC%92032923113660@VM.ECS.RPI.EDU>Path:
arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!paladin.american.edu!auvm!UICVM.BITNET!U23194Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1498c9,67bf9442097acfc4,start X-Google-Attributes: gid1498c9,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1992-03-29 19:26:52 PST Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!paladin.american.edu!auvm!UICVM.BITNET!U23194 Message-ID: <RHETORIC%92032923113660@VM.ECS.RPI.EDU> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.rhetoric Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1992 21:26:52 CST Sender: "Rhetoric, social movements, persuasion" <RHETORIC@RPIECS.BITNET> From: Victor Harnack <U23194@UICVM.BITNET> Subject: Grammar, Robert Browning, and Rhetoricians