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Article #480Re: Grammar, Robert Browning, and Rhetoricians
From: Elizabeth Vander Lei
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1992 20:01
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1992 20:01
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I, too, am incapable of staying out of the fray. I have a couple of observations regarding the "gatekeeping" and "lockpicking" metaphors we're batting around. 1. When I teach a 300-level Writing for the Professions class the students DEMAND that I teach them grammar. They see this as their last shot to learn the rules before they start writing to/for someone who has the capacity to hire and fire them. Who do we think we are? If we've got it and they want it, let's give it to them. Now, HOW we give it to them is another issue that I'll not touch here. 2. When I'm on a plane or getting my hair cut and someone asks me what I do and I tell them I'm an English teacher s/he invariably makes a comment to the effect of "Oh, I'd better watch my grammar and talk correctly." This is what the general public thinks we do, folks. These are the parents of the students we're teaching and these are the constituents who pay our salaries at state schools. 3. This topic has received more attention on this bulletin board than any I've seen since I joined. So, it's not just the students and the public who want it, it seems we do too. Why don't we get off our high horses and realize that we are employees of the university, and we should teach what our constituents (students and parents) want us to teach. Changing metaphors, we have a product, we see a need in the market, we should maximize our profit and sell what the market demands. We are never "gatekeepers" and only sometimes lock-picker enablers. Most of the time we're employees.
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1498c9,67bf9442097acfc4 X-Google-Attributes: gid1498c9,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1992-03-30 12:01:17 PST Comments: Gated by NETNEWS@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!paladin.american.edu!auvm!ASUACAD.BITNET!IDEAV Message-ID: <RHETORIC%92033015255854@VM.ECS.RPI.EDU> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.rhetoric Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1992 13:01:17 MST Sender: "Rhetoric, social movements, persuasion" <RHETORIC@RPIECS.BITNET> From: Elizabeth Vander Lei <IDEAV@ASUACAD.BITNET> Subject: Re: Grammar, Robert Browning, and Rhetoricians In-Reply-To: Message of Sun, 29 Mar 1992 21:26:52 CST from <U23194@UICVM>