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> Has there ever been an attempt made to create alt.extropians and to
> gate bit.listserv.xtropy-l?  Does the extropian mail list own rights
> to newsgroups?

I don't think that any formal attempt has been made to create alt.extropians.
It is rather easy to create an alt newsgroup - just run newgroup!

How could the current extropian mail list possibly own rights to any
newgroups?

>
> We'll have an alt.extropians list for people who are curious enough to
> learn about it.  Unless I'm mistaken, the level of maintenance for an
> alt. group is not terribly high.

There is no maintenance, no stupid list rules, no quibbling about who
should be on/off the list. It is PURE ANARCHY.

> Also, the probability I would have joined bit.listserv.xtropy-l is
> quite small, given the somewhat ambiguous naming of the group name (no
> offense to Pat Salsbury).

Yep the name is too obscure. Maybe he named it that way to indicate that
messages were being passed from this this listserv to the newsgroup.

> >As you note, there is already plenty of traffic on the mailing list.
> >The bit. list was created by Pat Salsbury because he didn't like the
> >rules on the normal list, but it looks like the normal list kind of
> >won out. The market for the usenet/bitnet version doesn't seem to
> >exist. You can create yet another newsgroup, but its doubtful that
> >people will patronize it much.

BRUCE'S WAGER:

I bet that within 6 months the number of readers of alt.extropians will
exceed the current numbers of readers of sci.cryonics (10000 according
to the data which Kevin Brown just published).

>
> I think it'll have a longer-term usage and ``market'' than newsgroups
> such as alt.ketchup, alt.mcdonalds.ketchup (recently = alt.mcdonalds,
> by the way; I guess there just wasn't too much to say about McDonald's
> ketchup), alt.nick.sucks, all the
> alt.[favorite bitch target].bitch.bitch.bitch or
> alt.[favorite sucking target].sucks.sucks.sucks newsgroups.  (I mean,
> how many people does it take to start up a alt.ketchup newsgroup anyway?)

You're right. You can start the group yourself, today!

>
> We don't have to be ascetic here.  Why should we insist on massive
> demand, if many more infinitely more idiotic alt. newsgroups are
> created all the time?  The newsgroup can be a lower-grade level of the
> mailing list (which, I'd like to say, is very interesting to read).

> All I'm saying is have a more public place for extropians, such as two
> mutually gated newsgroups (alt.extropians, bit.listserv.xtropy-l).
> But I'm a newbie, so instruct me where I'm mistaken.  Perhaps attempts
> have been tried, and they have always been given the thumbs down?

Go ahead - do it - type newgroup or get your local sysop to do it!!!